A research trophy

[Tudani]

I am not against the idea of a research trophy. But I am against the idea of a research trophy like the rest of the trophies. The best thing for it in my eyes is something with lesser stats, that instead of summoning a bag summons something even better. A quill and parchment so that one doesn't have to run around trying to find the vendors or carry stacks on them. It would remove a huge pita from research without making it overpowered for the 200 clicks it takes to max research.

[Whizbang_Dustyboots]

Pffft, the person who wants the spell combined gets the quill and parchment. That's not a PITA at all for the researcher.

[eniamn]

isn't the gm trophy for alchemy and poison making different than the "normal" ones? just mke this one special too. +10 int/wis, +5% research, what else....
the alchemy one gives no int but an extra 5 wis and the rouge one gives extra 10 dex. they aren't very good at showing what a lesser trophy woul be. also they both have the bags which is what many are arguing about.

[Erikanudan]

Heh, tailoring and smithing are EASY compared to tinkering.

"Only smithing and tailoring." Hee hee.

Maybe back when Smithing could be bought to 242 on FS.

LOL, I had 151 days played and was 59 when I 250'd Tailoring. Gotta love Cobalt Scar =/.

My level 17 Tink alt has a whopping 3 1/2 days played and is 250.
But she was well funded from an 'easier' tradeskill. =D

Tinkering = Fletching as far as difficulty to skill up on now, just takes plat.

Erikanudan Combustulous
Ayonae Ro, 1750

[Maevenniia]

Speaking as a person who skilled up to ~190 in Spell Research the hard way (mostly before Loy, the last 10 points or so was from LoY-era combines) and only then used 10 training points to get to 200, I don't want a 'lesser' trophy. And any Mages who also skilled up before LoY without training points had even more work than I did.

You can buy poison making all the way to max skill too you know, and they get a 'normal' trophy.

However, I suggested a trophy that summons your classes' advanced research container instead of a bag....for that, I'd settle for lower stats

[Whizbang_Dustyboots]

Tinkering = Fletching as far as difficulty to skill up on now, just takes plat.

That's a false analogy, since no tradeskill requires no drops to skill up that I know of.

ANYTHING can be bought with plat.

Realistically, though, most cannot.

Perhaps your server is the wonderful Tinkering Nirvana we gnomes sometimes fantasize about, but Vazaelle surely doesn't have things used to get to 250 obtainable with mere platinum in the Bazaar, not by any stretch of the imagination.

[Whizbang_Dustyboots]

Originally posted by Maevenniia
However, I suggested a trophy that summons your classes' advanced research container instead of a bag....for that, I'd settle for lower stats

Heck, make all of the trophies do this. I suspect the grandmaster brewers and smiths would happily lose their chance as a tink bag equivalent if they could get a portable summonable brew barrel or forge.

[DylanV]

I have an idea. They could add new recipes that skill you up to 250 (woot, new spells , and make 250 unattainable from training. Then make the trophy a 250 trivial.

[Eaeaden]

The only thing that differentiates this from Poison Making is the 200 cap vs. the 250 cap. Heck, the PM one can even be upgraded to summon different containers, not to mention its snazzy particle effect.

I wouldn't get in a huff about it being trainable to cap. The low cap *might* give the lesser-trophy-argument some merit, but not enough to worry about. It's only more mouse clicks.

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Eaeaden
Beguiler of Morell-Tule

19x Research
19x Baking

[Daxil]

I'd settle for a research trophy that increased your odds of finding Zephy and Scintilation.

[Ozmandias]

I skilled up in the early days of Kunark, and bought the last 13 points to 200 (one of the first BTW, had to make a screenshot as people didn't believe 200 was even possible in research). Those 187 points I skilled up on took forever...why should I get a lesser trophy for it?

But like someone said, heck if it summoned a ream of parchment and quills, I'd be happy as heck. But I already have a few trophies.

[Nihixul]

The STA is a bit overboard, to be honest.

Yep, the poison trophy is different from the others. It also has +10DEX, which is a nice little addition (and makes sense, honestly). It is "odd" that we get a trophy for something we can train at at our guild. I have bought my last several points there, to get to 235. I honestly just ran out of things to train in. My last two levels, though, I passed up poison training to help with my Throwing (now at 200, tyvm) :P I figured that poison making is nearly trivial, anyhow (storebought method to 250 that is relatively cost-effective). I had never really thought about how training to 250 (ish) in poison making and then getting a (better than the other) trophy was slightly unfair. Perhaps it is. *shrug*

At any rate, I don't mind letting the researchers have a trophy, but lose the STA.

I think I just rambled.

[eniamn]

/gasp
lose 10 sta but then at 65 my wizard might lose a whole 30 hp. at lv 41 now that might cost me 20 hp on my otherwise 900ish hp pool. cant train it all teh way up atm anyway though. i can live with that.

[Veldin Darkfire]

Originally posted by eniamn
/gasp
lose 10 sta but then at 65 my wizard might lose a whole 30 hp. at lv 41 now that might cost me 20 hp on my otherwise 900ish hp pool. cant train it all teh way up atm anyway though. i can live with that.

Heh yeah that whole 26ish hp at L65 is the biggest game breaker i've ever seen

Veldin

[Taedirk]

2 months later...

Any updates? Wizards from Test see anything hiding in the Tradeskill UI?