Building a comprehensive prices list

[xajkil]

From the subject and my post count, I am sure a lot of you will want to refer me to information within the site. I have checked the following resources and have not found what I was looking for:

http://www.eqtraders.com/prices/pottery.htm - Pottery Prices
http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/recipes_pottery.htm - Pottery Recipes
http://www.eqtraders.com/learn/learn_pottery.htm - Learn a skill, Pottery
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=46 - Message board Pottery FAQ.
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=2049 - Gorthag's Guide to Pottery

Ok, that said I would like to give you some background before I ask my question. I have just recently started playing EQ again for the last month or two. I played for about a year when it first came out, or to the beginning of the Kunark expansion. I dabbled in tradeskills at the time and I am familiar with most of them. Currently I am working on my current character's skills to get myself in position to do the Coldain Prayer Shawl Quests.

That is where I am coming from, now I will tell you why I am here. I have browsed through the forums and saw a lot of information about skilling up from 180-250, but not a lot of information on going from 0 to 180.

Now, as to what I want. I would like to compile a comprehensive list for prices divided into two segments. First is grouping all the known recipes into 'store bought' and 'dropped'. If at least one component is dropped, then it's ability for low-level skillup is severely hampered. I am planning on focusing on the 'store bought' recipes. Once those are identified, I would like the following information with a character with Max faction and charisma:

1) Recipe
2) Cost of each component from vendor
3) Sell price of unfired product
4) Buy price of unfired product
5) Trivial of combining unfired product
6) Sell price of fired product
7) Buy price of fired product
8) Trivial of firing product

As far as #8, trivial of firing product, I think that would be difficult to obtain without a lot of testing. Also, assuming firing the product will always have a lower skill check then making the unfired product, it is probably useless to get. I'm just wondering if someone has bothered to find out what it is... or if I am wrong in my assumption and there are cases where firing something is more difficult then making it. I am thinking some low skill level stuff this might be the case, or they may be near the same value. Then firing the product might give a second skillup chance and overall cost a bit less.

A large reason I want this data is so I can map the best skillup path. I read Gorthag's Guide to Pottery and while he says don't bother to fire things, another person says to, and another person says KISS (keep it simple silly). So it seems this isn't very definitive. I wanted to put this together so I can make my own choice of which ones to do and to fire or not to fire. Once all this is collected we can present it to the community and if someone doesn't like the 'general accepted conventions' then there will be the raw data for whom ever to choose to do what ever they want to do. Right now I just feel like there is a general consensus on the best way for a new potter (me) to raise their skill. I would like to get some of the same data that I have found for the other tradeskills.

Before I start working on it and asking for volunteers from my guild, my friends, or here in this community, I just wanted to make sure this information wasn't available somewhere else.

Thank you for your time reading this if you made it all the way through.

[Hibashira]

3) Sell price of unfired product

You can't sell unfired products to vendors.

4) Buy price of unfired product

Therefore you won't be able to buy unfired products.

8) Trivial of firing product

This will be hard to test since firing trivial is almost always lower than the unfired combine.

[xajkil]

That's the type of thing that I'm looking for, since I've done tradeskills but just not pottery yet.

I'm working the list of items from the main page right now to figure out which are possiblities. I'm running into one problem, what is name of an unfired item? If I go to the pottery wheel and use one block of clay, a skewer sketch, and a flask of water.... I don't get skewers. I only get skewers when I fire this item in a kiln with the quality firing sheet.

So, what's the name of this unfinished or unfired skewer that I can't sell to vendors?

[Tinile]

unfired items are named (drumroll).... Unfired Thingymabob. :P

[xajkil]

Thanks Tinile, I went ahead already and assumed that too, but just had to make sure.

I have an excel spreadsheet that'll do a LOOKUP() to a second sheet with the following items:

appropriate cookie template
block
bowl sketch
cake round sketch
carnelian
casserole dish sketch
ceramic lining
ceramic lining sketch
deity sketch
firing sheet
glass shard
glass shards
high quality firing sheet
jar of acid
large block
large bowl sketch
large jar sketch
lined vial sketch
medium bowl sketch
medium jar sketch
metal bits*
muffin tin sketch
opal
pie tin sketch
pot sketch
quality firing sheet
sealed vial sketch
skewer sketch
small block
small jar sketch
smoker sketch
vial sketch
water flask
wolfs eye agate

*metal bits are made from 2 small pieces of ore (stackable) and a flask water

So, now all I need to do is find the lowest vendor price for these materials and I'll have most of the information I want.

Only other thing I may toy with, is passing my unfinished goods to an alt via the shared back and get a definitive look at the trivials for finishing each item. I think it might turn out to be the same trivial depending on the quality of the firing sheet, but maybe not.

If anyone knows a site where I can get the lowest vendor price (charisma+faction) for these items? If not, I'll do it on my own... but I probably won't have lowest price... but it'll still be a good ball park to start from anyway.

[Calabar]

One exception to the vendor won’t buy unfired items rule is the unfired casserole dish. These you can sell to a vendor.

I believe the reason most people drop unfired items on the ground is that the return for all your trouble of firing them just isn’t worth it to most people. You would really have to be counting your coppers before it would be worth messing with. Any type of poison vial is an exception to the rule. These sell back at a good price to NPC vendors when fired. You may also be able to sell them in the bazaar, though I didn’t have any luck doing so.

[Cakaris]

Unfired opal encrusted steins sell to vendors too, though for a ridiculously lowprice (5 cp?). Get 3p for firing them, so I always did, but sometimes I'd not notice one in a stack then afterwards notice he gave me a few copper for one while selling ><

[Kahooli]

unfired ceramic bands

Last I checked, unfired ceramic bands sold to vendors too, and for more than fired ceramic bands did.

[xajkil]

Pottery tooka back burner to leveling and baking. I'm just finishing up on baking and will probably be finishing my research on Pottery soon. Thanks for the input on the exception cases (Kahooli, Cakaris, and Calabar), I'll make sure to look into them.

[Taushar]

Re: unfired ceramic bands

Last I checked, unfired ceramic bands sold to vendors too, and for more than fired ceramic bands did.

Really? Hmm, my memory must be failing. When I did my pottery run, before the nerf, I remember unfired ceramic bands being sold at next to nothing, few silvers if I remember. I think fired ones were about a plat. There was one exception, I don't know if they fixed it or not, but for some reason unfired green ceramic band sold for like 11pps. I sold all my green ones back without firing. The rest were not worth it if I remember.

Of course with advanced age comes short term memory loss.

Another thing is the prices tend to fluctuate depending on your charisma and faction with the NPCs. It can fluctuate wildly, I have sold stuff at over 30% discount from one vendor to another sorely based on faction, same charisma.

Taushar

[splunge]

Incidently, unfired opal encrusted steins are a fabulous money making venture.

I seem to find them ALL the time on one of the vendors near the pottery wherels in PoK, i buy em all up for 5 copper, a stack or 2 of HQ firing sheets, fire em all at almost no failure, then stick em on my trader for 10p ea.

[Linea]

ive been working on the unfired black bands... i know if you fire them they sell to vendor for about a plat but unfired they sell for 8pp... make back a bit of what you spent on the materials at least

[Draggar]

unfired items are named (drumroll).... Unfired Thingymabob. :P

Dangit! And I was looking for an unfired thingamajig! :evil:

I've created a similar Excel spreadsheet (but due to the lack of having 2PCs, it was on a back burner for over 2 months) with privces of common items at the bazaar. My guild loves it during raids. I'm always seeing in guildchat, "Hey, Draggar, is a >insert some item< worth looting to sell at the bazaar?".

Hopfuly, once I get my webspace going, and an easy way to link it, I'll have the spreadsheet posted on my site.