duoing pottery skill

[sir0die]

a friend and i have been working as a team on our pottery skill, here is what we do.

we were doing this in thurg (not now, we both KOS after participating in a Dain raid with guild).

he would make ceramic linings and drop them, i'd pick them up and fire them. (both our skills are above triv for these) when my packs are full on ceramic linings, i step up to pottery wheel and start making cassarole dished and droping them, he picks them up and fires them. (we both get a skill up attemp, me for making it, him for firing it). when i am out of linings, he is full of dishes. He sells the dishes and buys the stuff to make more. I start making ceramic linings and dropping them, he fires them. When he is full of linings, he makes cassarole dishes and i fire them.

we switch back and forth, and get tghe job done pretty quick. granted that firing the cass dishes trivs lower than the unfired combine, but we both get skill ups till the firing stage trivs, then we just keep going, switching as ness till we both have them trived.


it cuts the time in half, and the cost.

[Calabar]

I imagine it’s also a lot more fun. Working on trade skills can often be a lonely business. Having someone there to share the experience with would be great. But I have a hard enough time finding someone to group with. Finding someone to trade skill with is rather unlikely.

[Delfontes]

(we both get a skill up attemp, me for making it, him for firing it).

Did anyone else notice a flaw in this logic?

[Perseverence Rewarded]

(we both get a skill up attemp, me for making it, him for firing it).

Did anyone else notice a flaw in this logic?

You did not read the last sentence of his post nor the signature with his skill level in pottery.

[Delfontes]

Huh?

I did read the post, but I was under the impression that firing stuff was trivial at way low level?

I've been destroying stuff to avoid a trivial combine at the kiln....

[sir0die]

do you know what the firing triv is? for cassarole dishes?

[Delfontes]

Nope...

Firing triv so far as I know is 17, and I thought that was universal throughout pottery.

Personally I have only made small bowls, ceramic linings, and a lot of poison vials... all of the firings were trivial after I skilled up making a ceramic lining to 17 (for my non-stick frying pan a few months back).

Perhaps with a glaze it is different, and maybe on Casserole dishes it is different.

If so, they need another line showing firing trivials for all the combines, because once I have trivialed an item it would be nice to give them to an alt to Fire to get their skill up too.

[Perseverence Rewarded]

do you know what the firing triv is? for cassarole dishes?

Don't you know the trivial? You said you got skill-ups untill it trivialed. I can't find any mention anywhere about what firing trivials are. Just that it's not worth firing under 200 skill level. I personally have never fired anything but my artisan's seals.

/Cringe - I "assumed" firing trivial would be 50 or 60 points below the pottery wheel trivial. Your post seems to imply that you only did casserole dishes. It doesn't state what levels you actually started doing this so we have nothing to go by other than your current skill of 147. ops:

[Delfontes]

I guess the simplest way to answer this is to get a toon to 20 skill, and have him fire casserole dishes until they succeed...

I'd guess they'll get a trivial message, but still fail 50% of the time or so at that skill level.

Could repeat with the same 20 skill on a few things to make sure everything is trivial, then fire something requiring a glaze and see if that is trivial too.

All just a theory, but probably worth a test. I am fairly certain they did not intend to have 2 chance of skill-up on pottery combines.

[sir0die]

i don't remember specific, but i was not getting the triv message from firing them.

as far as 2 skill ups, if you remeber, 50-60 points below triv, for firing. also equal's lots of failures so nothing to fire, for that second skill up attempt. but when working as a team, the person making the dishes, obviously skill up quicker and higher so the second person (with lower skills) has a chance for that second skill chance.

so def was probably correct, if one person does it all, there is only room for 1 skill up chance. :P

[Delfontes]

I think this needs more research.

Perhaps a sticky to see if someone will find Firing trivials?

Then another colum listing the firing trivial for all the pottery recipes.


I did find the following in the FAQ:

Q: Why shouldn't I fire the early stuff I make for skill?

A: Time. If you follow the guide in the learn-a-skill section of www.eqtraders.com, you make jars and bowls, which are containers and thus take up a lot of space. Also, it requires buying firing sheets, going to the kiln, and not making back all that much. Plus, the trivial for firing anything is very low, something like 15 or so, and new potters get the idea their recipe is trivial before it is. That being said, there's nothing stopping you from firing your bowls and jars and trying to break even.

I did an extensive search of previous posts and saw someone saying the highest firing trivial they had seen was 19. Also found a lot of complaints about the two chance to fail on pottery combines, but that was mostly unrelated.

sir0die, what skill specifically are you saying firing a casserole dish was not trivial at?

[Calabar]

I’ve always gone by the assumption that firing basic pottery items is so trivial its ridiculous. But for some reason I tend to lose more items when firing them then when trying to create them, assuming both are trivial. And I would swear it’s a lot more than five percent. Personally I feel its bugged, but I’ve come to accept it as part of the pottery process.