Artisan Charm

[krazy]

Was wondering if anyone else was having trouble with last combine for the Artisian charm . I have now failed for the 5th time at this part. I was fully buffed at 500+ to stats have a base skill of 264 and mastery2 along with salvage 3 . I fail everytime when I try to fire the unfired charm . I have been tradeskilling for years and am aware of the fact you can fail trivial items , But to fail this combine 5 times at same point seems odd . Maybe I am just missing something ,would appreciate any suggestions . Well off to farm some more stuff for clay . Thanks

[Unapuma]

Final combine is high trival you can fail a lot. Same thing with old tradeskill trophies as well.

[krazy]

So it is not trivial at 250 as listed in recipes? Guess I am just extremely unlucky with this combine . Well I will get it soon or later , skilled up on idols to 269 after failed charm and made 97 out of 100 combines which trivial for 282 .

[Pootle]

I seem to remember the Artisan Charm having a 75% fail chance built in? does the quest/recipy say you are likely to only succeed 1 time in 4.

[Ngreth Thergn]

reverse that 75% success cap (not 75% fail)

But luck can be rather bad sometimes!

[krazy]

I would say 0-5 is bad luck . I will wait a bit and get mastery 3 and try again or will this not help because of the built in 75% ?

[Unapuma]

If the trival is 250 and the base skill is over that, normal recipes will have 95% chance of sucess with your base skill to 290 and 96% after that. Since there's a hard cap of 75% sucess rate, i doubt master is going to make any difference. Salvage should help but it doesn't always play nice and salvages the cheapest or most common item.

5 fails in a row is defiantly bad luck. 1, maybe 2 fails would be expected with your skill over 250 but not 5.

[krazy]

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5 fails in a row is defiantly bad luck. 1, maybe 2 fails would be expected with your skill over 250 but not 5.

Thats why I posted , Thought maybe final combine was bugged or something . So far with salvage 3 I managed to save 1 firing sheet . Well when the servers come back up I will be trying again . Thanks again for all the input .

[Caeadiel]

Not to anger anyone but both my Paladin and Druid succeeded on their first try with just over 200 in pottery, and no mastery AAs.

[JonzeGirl]

The trick is to have enough for 2-3 combines on you when you try - then you'll suceed first time!!!

~Clio

[Caeadiel]

The trick is to have enough for 2-3 combines on you when you try - then you'll suceed first time!!!

~Clio

JonzeGirl, that is exactly what I did. I made 3 unfired charms and had enough components to make at least 2 more. Afterwards I thought to myself, I probably should have held off on making the extra unfired charms to see if I failed first but I was thinking this way I can just try again immeditely, oh well.

[krazy]

Well I made the charm today after failing clay 2x, So 8 tries to make charm , But its done . Just a string of real Bad luck I guess . I had several freinds as well make charm on first try with just 200 skill . Thanks again for all the input .

[shoogie]

Both making the clay and firing the charm are special combines with artificial success caps.

Ngreth was nice and gave us the actual number for the success cap: 75%. People who have high enough skill to reach the success cap (like you) have a 25% chance to fail making the clay and a 25% chance to fail the firing. So they have a 43.75% chance to fail their first attempt. Personally, I failed my first two attempts.

The odds of failing 7 times in a row = (0.4375)^7 = 0.0030679...

That means for every 1000 people who attempt to make an artisan charm, you expect 3 of them to fail 7 times in a row. I'm really sorry to hear you are one of the three, but it's not totally unexpected.

/comfort and /prays to Quellious that the random number generator will be kinder to you in the future.

--Shoogie

[Redfire]

Artisan Charm

I am so excited - I fired my artisan charm last night, (YAY!!) after having 3 failures on the artisan ceramic clay part. This thread (with the actual success-failure data, plus everyone's input) really helped. I feel lucky - I only have a modified pottery skill of 216 w/ trophy, and am estatic that I didn't fail on the final charm firing. Definitely - farming/collecting more than 4-5 combines' worth of the clay and mounted gems is the ticket for being successful 1st time on that final firing!!

Now I can get back to maxxing my JC/smithing/tailoring again (my true TS loves!) Also wanted to say I have been a "lurker" on these forums for years but never did post. This is the greatest source of info anywhere outside the game, period. Keep up the GREAT job.