Skillup rate

[Binkin]

I dusted off my 250 potter and set up to do 200 combines of star ruby steins.

Got just 4 skillups in 200 combines. I was rather... peeved. Is this the normal skillup rate?

[Lillanu]

I dusted off my 250 potter and set up to do 200 combines of star ruby steins.

Got just 4 skillups in 200 combines. I was rather... peeved. Is this the normal skillup rate?

http://www.eqtraders.com/calculators...r=130080000000
I don't know your Int/Wis, Mod or TS AAs, but you should have gotten around 8 skillups. It should balance out (next set of 200 you might get 11 or more).

[Binkin]

Thanks for the link. My potter is a 66 cleric with 285 wis -- no TS AAs -- has grandmaster potter sculptor. So yeah, I guess the RNG hated me that day. *sigh*

[Lillanu]

Thanks for the link. My potter is a 66 cleric with 285 wis -- no TS AAs -- has grandmaster potter sculptor. So yeah, I guess the RNG hated me that day. *sigh*

Atleast you got more than one skillup in 63 Master's DoN combine! /sigh

[Devilcharm]

That calculator is wrong. Pottery has always been the hardest skill to skill-up on across 13 different toons. Average skill up of all of them post 200 skill has been consistant. 60-80 combines per skill-up, all have maxxed INT/WIS for thier appropriate level... well, not the mage. I have not invested in the new SS AA's that increase stats yet (but still, 440INT with no trib on, 450 with trib running)

Good news is it is very cheap to get to 282 skill.

[rarrazz]

You really just never know. I went about 300 combines with alchemy with no skillup once =(

[KyrosKrane]

One person's experience isn't enough to say the calculator is wrong, since it's based on the formulae provided to us by Sony devs and programmers. (I'm the guy who wrote the calculator, so I'm biased. ) A more likely explanation is that you had a horrible streak of bad luck. They really do happen. Check my skillup blog for how bad skilling up can be, and how dry runs can really ruin your day.

The good news is, good streaks also happen. How many people come here and post, "I got ten skillups in ten combines! Yay!" compared to "I did 200 combines and not one skillup!"? People like to share their bad news so others can commiserate, but we rarely advertise our exceptional successes the same way.

[Gruda]

I have no doubt that the calculator is correct, given unlimited sample size.

That being said, 280 star ruby encrusted steins without a single skill-up. Still at 295.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

Hopefully you won't go much longer without a point... I know from personal experience how frustrating it can get.

The Random Number Generator involved in skillups is, as the name says, "random." What nobody has mentioned yet to you (I read it on one of the forums here a long time back) is that there is, in fact, a 1% chance in any tradeskill that it can take 1000 combines to get a point.

That's such a small chance it doesn't affect many people at all, but... I have incredibly bad luck, I guess. My last TWO POINTS in Jewelcraft (293, and 294) BOTH took as near as I can tell the absolute highest possible number of combines to achieve. I do all the tradeskills, and don't work at them constantly or do a ton of stacks at once, but still - no lie it took me close to a year to hit 294 JC and that was just a couple of nights ago. I was sooooo happy, as you can imagine.

I'd like to think since it's happened to me twice I've used up all my bad luck (and everyone else's here as well). Guess we"ll see.

Anyway, hang in there! No matter how bad it seems, there's probably someone like me around for whom the RNG has been behaving even worse!

Kemie

[Devilcharm]

Well, I do know that RNG is mean to my mage... lol. Took what was it? I forgot... something like 14 combines for the artisan charm till it finally succeeded. Course I did not get a skill-up as it was all under my trivial.
Then I try it for my druid, much lower pottery skill, 221 modified. No other tradeskill above 21... makes the artisan charm first attempt. Go figure.

I still stand behind that the calc is wrong for pottery tho, I can understand the RNG being mean once in a while to a toon, perhaps two, three is stretching it. But 13 showing the same consistancy? Even have a friend saying how slow pottery is going compared to the others.

I think it was made difficult to skill-up post 200 as 0-199 can be store bought for coppers on the platinum.

[Bryko]

Well the calculator can only generate probability, not hardcoded guarantee of results. A person who shoots 50% from the free throw line misses the first free throw, does that mean he is guaranteed to make his second one? If you /random 1 10, there is a 10% chance of each number coming up. But what is the chance that if you do it 10 times you will get a unique number? That's what we are fighting against, hence why some can say they get 5 skillups in 15 combines and some go 200+ combines without a skillup. I remember it took me over 200 combines to go from 182 to 183, but less than 450 to go from 183 to 222.

[Qqnaua]

60-80 combines per skill-up, all have maxxed INT/WIS for thier appropriate level

Sorry, but level has nothing to do with it. If you're not sitting at 350+ int/wis, don't bother. Wait till you've increased your stats or don't complain about your skillup rate. Most casters these days break 400 easily in their chosen stat.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

Sorry, but level has nothing to do with it. If you're not sitting at 350+ int/wis, don't bother. Wait till you've increased your stats or don't complain about your skillup rate. Most casters these days break 400 easily in their chosen stat.

Sorry, but I disagree with your advise.

Having tradeskilled for at least 6 years now with various characters (and especially with my main) I've found that stats appear to have far less to do with skillup rate than chance and the RNG.

I learned pottery on both a vah shir beastlord and rogue who were under level 20 without benefit of high wisdom, and smithing with low strength. Difficulty of the combine, how far above your actual skill the "trivial" is, whether someone else is tradeskilling in the same zone - all or none may actually affect you.

I've tried as many things as you can think of over the years to improve my "chances" including geerloks, trophies, wis/int buffs, dex buffs, str buffs, and even used the veteran's AA to max all buffs. I think in more cases where I was desperate, I actually got more successes and/or skillups after buffs wore off than while they were affecting me. /shrug

Chance is king!

If we all had to wait until we hit level 75 (to get max wis/int) to tradeskill, I wouldn't still be playing.

Kemie

[Tesann]

Pottery has by far been the most expensive and the hardest to skill up for me. I read somewhere a Dev, talking about 1 in 1000 possibility built in, but can't remember where. I know that it was in effect for me in pottery lol....... JC after 4 stacks of blue diamonds 2 times for 1 skill up total.. 296-297 I'll cut augs till it turns.... I cut 4 augs, failed 1, and got a skill up. (298) I have cut maybe 10 since then with 1 fail in 5 average but no more skill ups, I'm patient it will come. I have to be. I do 10 tradeskills... I'll leave tinkering alone for now till I'm 300 in all on my main!!

Lol re-read and someone else saw that 1-1000 too up earlier in posts.!!! who knows what I will find on a frequent insomnia night.!!!

[Jago668]

I have no doubt that the calculator is correct, given unlimited sample size.

That being said, 280 star ruby encrusted steins without a single skill-up. Still at 295.

It can happen at weird times. On my brewing I hit 193, and it took me a little over 300 combines to go to 194, and I have no clue why. Yet after I hit 194 it went back to 1 per 20-30 combines, and stayed that way clear up to 300.