Pottery nerfed again?

[Derthe]

I made 100 pottery attempts on 8/9/03 with a 12% failure rate(Making Black Ceramic Bands), and 0 skillups. My skill level at the time was 197 and my WIS was 236. I made another 100 attempts (Making Opal Encrusted Steins) on 8/10/03 and got 1 skillup on the last attempt with an 11% failure rate. The failures are immaterial, other than a skillup is rumored to be more likely on a successful combine, but jeez....1 skillup out of 200 attempts? If that rate stayed constant, it would take me over 10,000 combines to get my last 52 points. Pre-197 I was averaging 7 skillups per 100 attempts, and suddenly (immediately post last patch) the well dries up? Or is this normal for pottery?

Fletching is looking better all the time...

Derthe
59 Outrider, <Eternal Heroes> Tribunal server

[data9724]

You probably just unlucky. My worst skillup round ever was 300+ combines in tailoring from 192 to 193.

[andaerice]

All I can say is that I've also noticed odd behaviour from pottery.

200 casserole dish combines, skillups about 1/50
200 lined/sealed vial combines, skillups about 1/15

Seems like an awfully large difference, especially while wearing the same gear and having the same buffs.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

I was more than a bit "miffed" the other night with pottery myself. I have 250 skill plus trophy, and someone asked me to make him a Guktan Soulstone, for which he supplied ingredients. I've had excellent success rates on my pottery combines since hitting 250 (except for Star Ruby Encrusted Steins, which always go about 8 fails before I get 8 or 10 successes for some reason) but failed and lost his ingreds.

The same night I failed a Ceramic Shield of Valor combine, and the next night attempted to make up for the soulstone fail by trying 3 more, failing all three! I was just sick.

Last night I foraged 7 speckled toadstools, determined to click unitl I got a success... made one (thank goodness!), failed one, made one.

I can understand someone with 250+ skill failing 50% of the time on things that trivial over 250, but there is something massively wrong with the way Sony is working the RNG if you have to do a full 20 combines to achieve that 50%, failing all the first half and succeeding the rest.

People look for a craftsman with high skill when they have ingredients (especially) that are expensive or hard to come by so they have a better chance of getting the item they want made... too many failures can ruin someone's reputation in this game - how is a "customer" to believe my skill IS actually 250 if I can't even make a soulstone more often than 2 in 7?

Kemie Dreamshadow, Lanys Server

[data9724]

Hehe, should see the wood elf cultural tailoring, was doing 60%-70% success rate, then it fell to 50%, BUT the bracers are under 10%, made 2 in 25 tries for a guildie. Never made them since, cant break even on that success rate.

[Obina]

Yes pottery is tough. But there is nothing wrong with the RNG probably. Certainly this experience is within norms. The problem is that it IS working well. Sometimes, you get bad luck. Occasionally, you get very bad luck.

I posted a thread on general on how to look at runs of random numbers. For the skill up just use, say, umm 2% as the chance of the event, and look at the chance of it not happening for 200 runs. For the 2 in 7 soulstones, assume 50% I'd say. You'll see that it happens all the time sadly. I may be able to run it for you later if I get a spare moment.

Obina

[Perseverence Rewarded]

GM'ing pottery was by far the worst time I had doing tradeskills.
If I had tried this skill first, instead of smithing and tailoring, I would never have finished all 7 tradeskills due to extreme frustration. I averaged 60 combines per skill up and lost 6 artisan's seals at 250 skill before I succeeded on my trophy.

[ThresherInc]

New to Pottery

Something definitely seems a bit strange.

I decided to go for pottery on the basis of the article 'Becoming a master Potter on 30pp or Less' thinking it would be a good complement to my Baking skills.

Hmm, 80pp later with a skill only at 80 now I have 127 WIS and 47 CHA so thought it wouldn't be that dissimilar to Kury's experiences, but no I had to buy 3 times the ingredients that he did.

The skillups were no where near as prolific as when I learned Baking.

Glenn.

[tatanka7th]

174-199 experience so far...

It's been WAY too long since I got to 174, so that wouldn't apply anyway, but I did 174-199 last Friday and Saturday. Over the whole run, I averaged 1 skillup per 19 attempts (475 attempt total), but I had one run of 60 no-skillups, and another run of 48. All my other tradeskills are in the same range, all done last winter, and that's about the same skillup rate I saw with those.

I am about to slowly start working on getting Pottery GM'd, so I will post updates on my progress.

Tat

[Aanny Crowdteaser]

Pottery skillups

Don't complain too bad....I did pottery to 199 with casserole dishes post 188 and it took me a total of 424 combines to go from 191-195.... I had a three bad runs in that time of 208, 123, and 91......take about unlucky...

[Janok]

I feel your pain...

Currently experiencing my worst tangle with the RNG in Pottery.

Do my combines of Golden Idols of Tunare in batches of 40, make more when those sell. Have now done 221 combines without an inc. at 285 int/dex/cha. Starting to think I'll never get past 233 pottery....

Profitable, but geesh, c'mon I wanna GM this skill before they turn off the servers lol.

[Teedyo]

...about oddities in pottery...

Went from 138 to 141 in two combines; yep, two skillups in one combine. That is odd, isn't it? I paid for it by following up with 60 combines and no skillups. Overall, 120 combines netted 9 skillups..all in the first 60. Not terrible and not so great either. More zombies have to die..errr be skinned.

[GraemeFaelban]

I just did 208 to 213 on 63 planar stein combines, actually quite a good skillup rate compared to what I had been seeing. Wisdom is 280. I only failed on two or three of them, didn't pay much attention, was just tossing the steins, as they are not vendorable.

[Callandre]

120 combines to go from 224 to 225 for me with 280 wis... so I can sympathize.

Hoping that putting the AA in to IE 5 & PP 5 to get to a 355 wis will make it a little easier, but honestly almost scared to check with another run of combines.

[eniamn]

lower end but last night i went from 40ish to 97 in about 16stacks of medium bowls. have about 8 more on character to go when i get time and try to get to 122 at least. some stacks had 5 or more skillups and had one spot of 40 combines with no skillups. if u can get a run of 40 at lv 60 something lv 190 has got to be hell.

had put pot smoking hold till i got closer on shawl quest after doing horible for skillups to 40. all combines made with 255 int cause of a freindly enchanters brilliance.