INCORRECT TRIVIALS FOR ENGRAVED ROYAL VELIUM

[Antha]

Is this the place I should be posting this? It is a jewelcraft combine. All the trivials for every piece of ENGRAVED royal velium armor are incorrect. They are ALL nofail combines. I know. I have made about 200 pieces of the stuff and have never had a failure. Royal velium can fail. IMBUED royal velium can fail. ENGRAVED royal velium cannot. I have also never had a skillup while doing the combine. :!:

[Lothay]

Before making such a claim (and I'm not saying you're wrong), but have you proven that these are a no fail combine?

The only way to do something of that nature is to prepare a set on a a character who has no jewelcraft skill at all. If this combine is sent to no-fail like say Celestial Essence or Silk Swatches, that character should succeed even with a 0 skill. Most "no fail" recipes will also allow you to gain skill until skill 15.

So, have you done this test, or have you just been exceptionally lucky with the RNG?

~Lothay

[Antha]

What you request cannot be done in this case. IMBUED royal velium cannot be made by someone with no jewlery skill and it is a NODROP component in the making of ENGRAVED royal velium. (And the RNG has never been my friend. I once spent 14kp on velium hound furs and got 1 skillup). Come on you math majors.... what are the odds of an event with a 5% probability of occuring NOT happening even once in 200 attempts? Please, somebody do the math for us.

[Krazick]

Well, it can be done... just very, very unlikely to succeed in making the IMBUED (NO DROP) item needed to try the ENGRAVED with a Jewelcraft Skill of zero.

What I will do is put a note in the Recipes for the Engraved (in the Database):

There is a report that this Engraving Recipe is -NO FAIL-. If you DO fail with this Recipe, PLEASE let us know. Also please indicate if you have recieved a Skill Up when using the recipe.

Will that be sufficient for now?

[Antha]

Cool

[Magrath]

what are the odds of an event with a 5% probability of occuring NOT happening even once in 200 attempts?

In a million attempts (each consisting of 200 combines), this would be expected to happen about 35 times.

(Edited for clarity.)

[BienaFV]

Can be done actually.

On FV this is droppable, so have someone make it then hand to character with no JC skill and do the combine

[Xenephex]

I'm surprised that no one mentioned the other obvious point.

Even if it's no-fail, it still has a trivial level. So the initial point about the trivial levels being incorrect is... well, incorrect.

[Sildroni]

Trivial update anyway

Created Engraved Greaves tonite ( 07/13/03 ) with JC skill of 182.

With Gearlok in hand and 280 wis both combines (imbued and engraved) gave me 'you can no longer advance' messages.


Zannah

[Bryant]

I have made at least 50 BPs and fail about 20 percent of the time when I try to add the etched diamond to the BP. Way more than the 5% I expected. Do I need to up my jewry skill a lot above trivial?? I am at about 185 get message that I cant get anymore skill ups so I know it is trivial and I use the gearloc gemsetting device.

[GraemeFaelban]

You have made 50 of the NO DROP BPs that are used for the shawl quest, or 50 of the BPs that you can sell?

[Bryant]

I have sold 50+ of them .. the failure happens when I make the no drop one. The step from no drop to droppable is not a problem.

[GraemeFaelban]

Never looked up the recipe for the tradable version. But, now that I think about it, I failed on the BP once while doing the quest. As I recall, it was not trivial to me either at 179 (I think) JC.