GM on 2k cash?

[Aeristotle]

i have exactly 2k cash saved. I would like to GM in jewerly and get my trophie. My jewerly skill right now is at 180. Is this possible to do with only 2k cash? BTW my int is 182 unbuffed

[Perseverence Rewarded]

I spent that much 2 days ago getting from 180-200 with 255 wisdom and a geerlok
You never know, the RNG could bless you

[Taraddar]

I spent about 6k to go from 200 to 249 skill in jc rescently.

You could probably cut that cost down a bit if your an enchanter who can enchant every peice of metal.

That was done with 280 wis with a jc gearloc.

[Liwsa]

It took me 4750pp to go from 21 to 200 BUT I had 260 wis at the time. Lower skill = lower cost. Gold bars are around 10pp and gems you need at those triv levels are
topaz(183 triv) 5pp
peridot(185 triv) 10pp
emerald(188 triv) 13pp
opal(191 triv) 16pp
Black pearls(196 triv) not seen these on vendors unless someone sold them but cost is around 22pp i believe
Star ruby(199 triv) 68pp
Fire emerald(202 triv) 78pp

2k may get you to 200 skill if you do the next closes trivial combines to your skill(more successes to sell back to vendors).

If I remember correctly I would succeed 17 for 20 or better most of the time when I got close to triv level so you should not lose but the cost of 2-3 combines per stack attempted.

SO:
topaz 30-45pp per stack to 183
peridot 40-60 per stack
emerald 46-69 per stack lose
opal 52-78 per stack lose
black pearls 64-96pp per stack
Star ruby 156-234pp lose per stack attempted
Fire emerald 176-264pp lose per stack attempted.

With the "hell levels" in this range you may make it to 200 you may not. If the RNG gods love you you will.

Good Luck

[Moonlilly]

You could probably cut that cost down a bit if your an enchanter who can enchant every peice of metal.

If he's an enchanter he will not only do in in 2k he will MAKE money. Please move this thread to rants so I can go off about this again.

[Axterix EnObelix]

Yah, of course, in the time he spends enchanting the platinum bars, he could instead farm some cash and make more money. Helpful if you do your JC skilling up a stack of metal at a time. And maybe trying to sell some of your skill up items to players. But if you don't, better off just doing it without enchanting.

Biggest piece of advice I can give is this: Get a Geerlok and do combines close to trivial. The more you succeed, the more you can sell back, the less it costs you.

Wouldn't hurt to invest some of that cash into a bit more int/wis gear either.

Also, the trophy alone will cost you more than 2k.

[Emelyn]

When I did it I was a poor enchanter who enchanted every bar. This was long before geerloks, and I essentially broke even going 180ish-250. The problem with only 2k to work with, you'll have to make lots of trips to the vendor once you get to more expensive stuff.

[BuilderOfCastles]

Pardon, fellow tradeskill junkie and Potter butting in:

You can not make it to GM Jewelcraft AND make a GM Trophy on 2k cash.

The Artisan's Seal requires 8 bars of platinum. There is your whole 2k right there. Plus you need a Blue Diamond, a diamond, a Jacanith and a Black Sapphire.

oh, and 4 rubies (130pp each) for the mana vial.


I suggest that you set a percentage of your money aside for Jewelcraft. Do a little JC every time you get more money. Mastering a tradeskill overnight is a humongous effort done by insane people with insane resources (other players and money)

[Axterix EnObelix]

>>The Artisan's Seal requires 8 bars of platinum. There is your whole 2k right there.

Right price, wrong metal, reckon yah meant to say Velium

[honeygram]

my 2cp

I am currently an enchanter at 192 skill. I have enchanted EVERY single piece of metal, and only buy one stack at a time (buy stack, enchant, combine while medding, rinse and repeat). I have noticed the vendors in PoK to be very nice and will come out a little ahead if I succeed on EVERY combine. I use the closest trivial possible as well, so have to switch gems every 3 or so levels. Int ~200 with geerlok (upgraded gear a little bit between) and always had max cha.

Up to now, I have lost probably .. 500-750pp. Failures get real expensive, but if you do the closest trivial and have geerlok, its not so bad.

2k not enough to get to 250 probably unless you max your int/wis and even then you wouldn't have enough for one attempt on trophy.

I have about 3250pp in the bank right now and am HOPING I can get close to GM status by the time I run out. I generally only JC for an hour or so in the mornings when groups are scarce.

*REALLY wants the GM trophy* hehe

[Rangarth]

My enchanter (212 int) has a 201 skill and made 250 JC in with a gain of 400pp with a starting cash of 3k. You will need about 2100 at the minimum since a stack of platinum is over 2k alone.

The key is like everyone else said is to buy the closest gem to your trivial and trade out when it becomes trivial. Also enchant all metals, since you will make a profit on each succesful combine to the point of if you fail once per combine you will break even. I used a geerlock throught the process. Also what I did notice to help make the combines more succesful was dex stat did help, so I did my entire combines with boon of garou (plus 100 dex). It doesnt help in skill increases but it does help in successes.

[Velurian]

On successes, the profit on enchanted combines is about 4%. You WILL lose money in the long run with 1 in 20 failures. It's just that the profit on successes and the rate of failure come so close to cancelling each other out that it could be a VERY long run before this happens. (It's like how you can go to a casino and play blackjack -- well played, the expected loss is less than half a percent on a given hand, and in the short to medium term, you can very well walk out with a healthy profit. But in the long run, barring card counting, you will lose money.)

The number of bars that most people need for the 180-250 range is small enough that it can still fall within the "short run", as odd as that seems when considering the thousands of bars it can take. Even enchanting every bar, you're still more likely to come out negative than positive.

(That said, the expected loss per bar is in the neighborhood of 1pp per attempt, so all you need is one extra success per five stacks or so to come out ahead.)

[Lorthien]

as a non-enchanter (Wood Elf is my Trade skiller with 205 WIS) I went from 21-200 on about 2-3K plat. Using a geerlock and always, ALWAYS the next trivial closest to my skill I did ok. I even made a small profit in the low 100 skill levels, but by the time I got over 175 I was loosing approximately 3-6p per stack combined. This of course was nothing to a failed attempt with gold+fire emerald when I reached towards 200. 1 failure I cringed, 2 failures I cried, 3 failures and I ran screaming from the room.

Can you make it to 250 on 2K, I would say no, with a capital N-O, you may make it to 200 but you would have to catch the RNG on a good day.

[Agosia]

One day I decided to take the 1.5 k I had in the bank and see how far I could get in JC from a skill of 160. I had a geerlok, int of 230 or so and enchanted all the bars. At several points after unlucky runs I was down to around 300-400pp and after one of these I supplemented the cash by 750pp. Over the course of several LONG sessions I ended up with a skill of 250 and around 1.5 k with total costs about 2.25k.

I then went giant hunting until I had enough for a try at the trophy. Luckily I made the trophy with only one failure-on the mounted black sapphire!

Using a geerlook took 10 int out of my primary, but in the end probably saved me alot of money.

Agosia Chrysalis
level 53 Enchanter, Guild of Avalon
Sol Ro

[Lyinar]

I'm currently working my JC skill up. When I last left off, I had started at 1693pp and in going from 208 to 223 skill, enchanting all my metal (I'm an enchanter on this character), selling back to the vendors and with a Geerlok, I was at 1596pp when I finally gave up for the night. It will take you forever, but it IS possible to raise skill on little cash. I don't buy by the stack with metal, since I really can only enchant a half a stack or a quarter of a stack at a time before I have to med.

I don't know why, but I had less failures buying that way. Before I could buy a stack of 20, do them all one after the other, and have four or five failures in the stack. Then I started buying sections, like 5. I could do four rounds of five and in that 20, with interruptions to sell back items, I would only have one or two failures. I don't know if selling somehow "reset" me with the RNG so I went longer without failures or not. I just know that my rate improved once I stopped buying full stacks and doing them all at once.

I keep KEI on, because the wis/int buff is handy as well as cutting my mana regen time. I went 15 points in about 7 hours, even doingthe enchanting and careful buying.

So, it's doable. Right now, staying within my budget is important to me, so I watch my coppers. I managed to get up to 208 over time with only about a net loss of about 2k. Not all at once, of course. I've been working on JC since I got my first enchant spell and I'm level 37 now.

So, if you want to take possibly a bit more time than usual, then you can accomplish it for that much. If you're worried about your budget, then at least give it a shot.