PoR Jewelry - Rings Specifically

[firescue17]

Posting this here as well -

http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/...sage.id=219097

"I most definitely agree that the PoR jewelry should not have had required levels added. I'm not even going to bother to get into the issue of recommended levels being added and not being able to use the PoR jewelry as twink items. It's a moot point as the Sony gods have spoken. However, recommended levels were designed to scale up according to your level, therefore completely removing any balance/overpowering issues whatsoever. Adding required levels on top of recommended levels makes absolutely no sense as the items are completely useless until at least level 40. I, for one, certainly don't appreciate dropping 30k pp over the last 3 months to twink out my toons, only to log in today and discover I can't even equip the items anymore. Bad move on the addition of required levels.

Please remove the required levels."

[Chaparrell]

Suggestions for the PoR rings

I was pretty grateful to see a set of Jewelcraft items come into the game that were in high enough demand to warrant prices that yield a profit. Having stocked up on raw materials, I'm now going to lose money overall on these rings; I expect the prices to drop in line with other Palladium stuff. In the short term, the market ought to flood with them since all those new characters that bought them can't even equip them at this point.

Here's an idea: drop the HP / Mana / End to 50 (or 45 if it must be below 50), and keep the stat at +9. Then drop the req. level. Lower the rec. level (maybe 25?). These rings ought to be worth making and having. If they gave a level 10 about +5 to a stat and 25 Hp / Mana, they will still be an item worth making.

Please try to keep these rings in demand. Thanks.

[Lanthorny]

Not seeing a problem with this at all. Already had full sets of Prestidigitasse Palladium rings, earrings and pendants on my trader before being surprised by the patch. Rings are still selling as fast as i can make them for a reasonable profit .. and after never selling a single earring or pendant before the patch these are now flying out of my trader bags.

Personally i am left feeling quite happy witht these changes. These rings etc. are a nice alternative to PoP jewellery, and are still usable at a far lower level than PoP stuff. AND far easier and faster to get the components for..

If you want to twink out a lowbie, the staurolite now has a reasonable profitable market and again drops frequently.

Yes the rings aren't as desirable as they once were .. but the mild nerf in return for improvements on all of the rest (that was utterly useless) more than makes up for it.

[firescue17]

Regarding the Stats

My issue isn't with the change in stats due to a recommended level. Nor is it with the profitability from tradeskilling or the lost desirability as a twink item. Add a recommended level - fine, so be it. At least I would have the minimal benefit of +15 hp/mana +2 to saves (approximating here). At least I could still equip it.

As it currently stands the palladium prestigidase items are useless at previous levels. They're not reduced / trivialized / minimalized - pick your verb of choice. They can't even be equipped.

I am aware of the other types of jewelry and obviously will be taking a different equipment path in the future. I'm not going to continue to spend pp on an item I can't equip.

If the items weren't game breaking enough to be introduced into the game correctly nor patched immediately, they certainly aren't sufficiently overpowering to be completely removed from lower level / alt gameplay.

[Dutchy]

"I, for one, certainly don't appreciate dropping 30k pp over the last 3 months to twink out my toons, only to log in today and discover I can't even equip the items anymore."

Try to look on the bright side, you've had 3 months to enjoy them on your lower level toons, and once they hit 40 you can continue to enjoy them + you can get earrings and a necklace to go with them =). Think of it as an investment, your plat isn't entirely wasted.
I agree it would have been better if they had fixed this earlier... but hey this is still sony we're dealing with and as sad as it may be they are never fast when it comes to fixing stuff. (how many months did it take m again to fix the overpowered MM exp?)

Overall I'm pretty happy about the changes made to the prestidigitase jewelry. Even with the required lvl of 40 this jewelry is just sweet =) although my alts are not able to equip the rings anymore I just keep thinking: "When I hit 40 I will be able to get matching earrings and a necklace as well". that's 5 pieces of lovely jewelry instead of 2 =)

I was afraid they would match the rings with the old necklace and earring requirements of required lvl 62 and reccomended lvl 67, and am very happy to see that didn't happen.
I believe the rings are still very well worth making and having, the AC on them alone is amazing for the low required level, and the hp/mana/end sv's and sidestat are very decent and can last untill your well into your 60's imo. Making prestidigitase jewelry into one of the best basic options for affordable jewelry for the higher end casual player. Things could have been a lot worse =)

[Nolrog]

Lost in all this complaining, is the fact that the pieces that had the req/rec levels before were lowered, substantially.

The recommended level went from 67 to 50, and the required level went from 62 to 40. In addition, they are no longer attuneable. Those are all very good changes.

[firescue17]

Check this one out

http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/...cending&page=2

Primarily bumping this thread. Some interesting "discussion" going on over here. Not going to tie up another thread since the other one is getting the most attention. Just thought today's round of responses were noteworthy.

[Lalian]

What's worst about this is the market is now flooded with these rings now that people can't wear them. The stamina one used to go for 7-8k on my server. Now it goes for 3-4k.

Also this whole thing just isn't fun. A patch that takes away items is just not good for business and only results in angry customers.

[Aldier]

Also this whole thing just isn't fun. A patch that takes away items is just not good for business and only results in angry customers.

This is there policy.

To be honest, I was about to buy some of these items, or look to make them myself when I heard they were going to be changed. Glad I didn't. Personally, I think the player crafted jewelry does not need req/rec levels beyond the few items that require drops from keyed/flagged zones (several PoP rings come to mind). But that is just my opinion.

[Lalian]

I thought they should have handled the rings by making the level 50 recommended but not throwing on the required level. I think what folks I talk to are most angry about is being out the 7-8k and having nothing to show for it. I am just glad I didn't make any of the these things for anything but personal use.

[Grolyn]

If there isone bright side to this change: there's a lot less /ooc fs: twink stuff than before the patch.

Now what about the low level toon who paid oh say 8k for a ring that now requires the said toon to level up 30 more before he can use it? You can't get a refund anyway (seller would probably deny selling to said toon or something) and SOE can't issue refunds as there's no way to keep track of 1000's of sales per minute

[AbyssalMage]

You all missed the Point

The rings are strictly for twinking. The required level 40 makes them useless basically. Wait 6 more levels and Better rings become available to you with more balanced stats. Not including other BETTER options for ear and neck. Yes it was a nerf, yes making it level 40 required only makes them good for 6 more levels before you can find better. 6 levels = 9 hours of game play if you know where to hunt(or less). Where's the investment? But I never bought any cause I knew the nerf was coming. There are a few other items that still are too good to be true but we'll have to wait to see if they change also. Expect a thorough(hopefully its researched) investigation on Sony's part before the next round of nerfs.

Final note, yes, you can use this until level 60 or higher, heck I have freinds who used Bracer of Scavenging(spelling?) until level 70, no joke, cause they didn't want to take a few minutes and buy something better out of Bazaar.

Anything can be used to level 70, doesn't mean you should.

[Dutchy]

RE: Missing the point

The rings are strictly for twinking. The required level 40 makes them useless basically. Wait 6 more levels and Better rings become available to you with more balanced stats. Not including other BETTER options for ear and neck.

Yes I'm missing the point here... you agree they are usefull for lvl 40-46, but I'm curious what all these amazing other pieces of jewelry are that are actually better than the prestidigitase at level 46? The only pieces I found for my shammy later that would be better all have required levels of 60+ or reccomended levels that are way higher thus resulting in less ac hp mana and resists than the prestidigitase. (not to forget lots are in the 100-400K pricerange, which I have no problem with... but still... not an upgrade at 46).

Anything can be used to level 70, doesn't mean you should.

Completely agree with you on that one but I think you misunderstood my post here. "Making prestidigitase jewelry into one of the best basic options for affordable jewelry for the higher end casual player that can last untill your well into your 60's imo"
I'm not saying keep it, hug it and love it forever =) All items get replaced for better ones eventually and players should always seek out the best items they can get their hands on.
But a lot of people these days are racing through levels, and are not keeping up with them gearwise. platinum is often a problem and they are basically just looking for basic gear that can help them hunt in today's more populair content and give them a chance at better upgrades.
Today with about 40Kpp (give or take depending on server) you can outfit a char to +1500mana and hp. It ain't great or uber, but it will get the job done untill those people can get their hands on better gear.

Prestidigitase is no longer suitable for pure twink purposes, but it's still usefull to many players. Even after the nerf I'm selling about 8 pieces of it a day to happy costumers =)

[Nolrog]

Yes I'm missing the point here... you agree they are usefull for lvl 40-46, but I'm curious what all these amazing other pieces of jewelry are that are actually better than the prestidigitase at level 46? The only pieces I found for my shammy later that would be better all have required levels of 60+ or reccomended levels that are way higher thus resulting in less ac hp mana and resists than the prestidigitase. (not to forget lots are in the 100-400K pricerange, which I have no problem with... but still... not an upgrade at 46).

/agree. 75HP/Mana is not easy to come by at 46. I have that on most pieces on my ranger, who's 63. Had a friend make me a necklace which was a nice upgrade for my chanter at 52.

[AbyssalMage]

Originally Posted by AbyssalMage
The rings are strictly for twinking. The required level 40 makes them useless basically. Wait 6 more levels and Better rings become available to you with more balanced stats. Not including other BETTER options for ear and neck.

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The key here is "More balanced stats." Yes if your looking for an infusion of raw hp's and mana you can't beat Prestidigitase jewlery until higher levels. AC is basically a non-issue with me. AA's seem to make up for any lack of AC that can be found on your jewlery and soft caps for AC are pretty easy to reach with Virtue/Conviction and normal armour(non-plate tanking classes). Also note that having tons of hp's and mana means little if you have no way of regening that mana or hp's back. Usually its a safe bet you will be at or near 100% life at any given time reducing the need(not eliminating) for +regen items, but + mana regen can be very important. You can have a 9k mana pool but once its all gone your going to be sitting there waiting preciouse minutes regening it back while something or someone is going to need your assistance/mana. Reading chanty boards and a few mage/wizzard boards has only incouraged my line of thought on this. Also +dex, +sta, +agi, and + resists have to be considered when choosing gear 46+. And yes, you can get focus effects and +regen(mana and Hp's) in other slots but jewlery seems to be where its plentiful.

Thats why I posted my original response to the thread. It was purely for twinking and that market is gone(for some it's still going strong, as mentioned by people who still have a few sells a day/week). And as far as I can see on ALL Prestidigitase jewlery you get 1 stat, a ton of raw HP/Mana and a few resists. When I'm looking for gear 46+ there is enouph selection to get 3-4 stats, decent hp/mana(50-65), resists, and if im lucky(and the sellers are trying to get rid of there wears) a focus effect for 1-5k. It doesn't always happen and some times I have to look into the 6k+ range but I usually hang out in the bazaar enouph to find the deals when I'm looking. And I hate spending 1-2k only to know that I will be needing an upgrade soon again anways in the same item slot. I personally try when upgrading a slot to make sure that it will last longer than my next most needing spot or 2.

And as a side note , was remembering a post about the use on a shaman and this jewlery...Shaman buffs are so good that you can sacrifice stats for this jewlery, but not everyone can go around sacrifcing cause they don't have a shaman(or shaman like buffs) to buff them up every play sessions unless your one of those people who sit in PoK, "Donating for XXX buff, PST if you want to remain /anon" then leave your group once your buffs fall. I seem to be playing with more and more of these kind of people .

This is my line of thought and of course there is always exceptions to the rule and I can't vouch for every class(as noted by shaman{and probally beastlords} being able to sacrifice stats cause of innate ability to cast buffs there sacrificing), but as a general rule, more rounded stats and abilities are useful at the 46+ range as leveling becomes slower for most people.