Augment Cutting Data

[GrimwoodCT]

I thought that I would share some hard data numbers with fellow tradeskillers regarding cutting augments. I'm including some data that may be superfluous but I'd rather err on the side of caution.

Enchanter Stats: Level 70, 415 INT, 315 CHA, 300 Jewelcraft Skill, Jewelcraft Trophy (315 modded skill), JCM 3, Salvage 3.

Cuttiing OoW Augments as of 4/7/05:

Attempts: 541
Successes: 384
Success Rate: 71.0%

Fails: 157
Salvages: 62
Salvage Rate: 39.5%

Price charged to non-guildies/allies: 150 pp to attempt the cut, an extra 1000pp for a success. (Guildies, etc pay only the reagent cost.)

Please post any other info you have re: cutting augemnts or questions. Thanks.

Grim

[GrimwoodCT]

Bumpity bump

[KyrosKrane]

DoN was released in February, so you can't have had 300 skill at the time of this post was originally made. Did you have 300 skill for all 541 combines you attempted? Also, did you have your trophy equipped every single time, and did you have JCM3 and Salvage 3 for every combine?

If you did, then this points to some disturbing trends. Your success rate should be around 97.5%, based on our existing formula. However, your success rate is much closer to 75% (which would be 50% success, plus a reduction of 50% of your fails due to mastery).

This is more or less in line with my personal, anecdotal results. I have 300 skill and do my own cutting. Per the formula we have, I should be hitting 95%. In reality, my success rate (over an admittedly small sample) has been closer to 50-70%. I generally make it a policy not to keep accurate count of my success and fail rates (mostly for my sanity), but I know a friend who does, and he does lots of augs. I'll ask him to get me some info.

I would like to see more data regarding aug cutting from other people. If anyone has kept accurate count of their combines, please post the number of combines you've attempted, your raw skill at the time, any skill mods you've had, and whether you have any mastery AA. Naturally, we also need success/fail counts.

[mithridate]

First off, thanks for keeping track of such a large number of cuts. It really helps... to a point. As with all stats, proper explanation of how the numbers were obtained is crucial, otherwise they can be very deceptive (and often confusing) numbers. (Darn those sneaky political statisticians!) As Kyros pointed out, there are questions with regards to what number of successes were actually obtained while having 415 int, 315 cha, 300 skill, JCM3, 5% mod and failure saves with Salvage3.

And, as Grimwood asked, it would be nice to see other people's numbers, too. Unless SoE decides to actually release the numbers (which they have hinted at, haven't they?), this is the best we have! =)

[Diani]

Being a wizard I have no JCM obviously but at 300 skill it feels like failing 1 out of 8 cuts

[maartena]

I have 300 skill in Jewelry, and the Grandmaster toy that takes me to 315. On top of that, I have the first AA of JCM that gives me 10% less fails.

I am not a "mass-produce-cutter", I have only cutted gems for my guild and friends so far with minimal profits. I think my success rate lies around 70 to 80%. I have done 8 succesfull combines in a row for someone earlier this week and then failed 2 in a row the next day. Yesterday I did 2 succesfulls again for different persons.

[Wyvernwill]

Think that it is possible that there is a cap on max success percentage on cutting augments? From the way the data seems in the above post, that would possibly be one explanation.

I know that I have never heard of such a thing, but who knows.

[Rwauld]

They must have tweaked the formula

Before the patch, I had 250 JC (mod 252) full mastery aa's. 295 or 300 int depending on my level during the period I was making radiant cuts. I cut a total of 114 augments. I had 80 successes, 34 fails. So I ran roughly 70% success.

I now have 300 JC (315 mod) [and haven't lost my mastery aa's ] And I find I'm running closer to 60% success (anecdotal only, haven't kept track of these combines as I didn't see the point.) I'll start tracking again.

[chrisian]

i'm convinced they did something specific to augment combines:
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=20759

other combines all seem to be in line with success rate formula, but augments are not working the same way.



wasted 14 hours, and a bunch of plat on what should have been 95% success rates.

[Aeght]

Silly question, but has anyone tried this with the skill mod unequipped? Could it be poor error handling on skills over 300?

[GrimwoodCT]

DoN was released in February, so you can't have had 300 skill at the time of this post was originally made. Did you have 300 skill for all 541 combines you attempted? Also, did you have your trophy equipped every single time, and did you have JCM3 and Salvage 3 for every combine?

You are correct Kryos and I apologize for some of the mislabled info.

I did not start cutting augments at all till I was 250, had JCM 3 and Salvage 3, as well as my trophy. I had at least 395 INT/305 CHA and trophy equipped every single time. Those were the minimum values for any cut attempt at all.

I did note that my success rate has pretty much remained a flat 71%ish whether it was 250 or on the way 300 (315). You are exactly correct that I should have done a success/fail log but I was too giggly from the skill ups most of the time.

I do apologize for the mislabaled info. I should have posted successive updates to my success rates vs. editing my posts every now and then.

My only real conculsion is: the 97.5 success rate is a myht/illusion or the RNG is playing a several mont long prank on me.

Thanks for your input, reccomendations and alertness Kryos.

Grim

[jibbler]

im getting the 95% success rate making alot of augs and fail once in a blue moon quit nice

[GrimwoodCT]

im getting the 95% success rate making alot of augs and fail once in a blue moon quit nice

Is that for Radiant Cut augments?

[crazycrowe]

I have heard in a few forums that there may be a better JC enhancing item than the Grandmaster's Jeweler's Eyeglass, is this true? I also heard there was a new metal with the expansion that allowed for higher level cuts making it a touch easier to get to skill 300. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It feels like I have been stuck at level 286 for ever. Also I am glad ( not really ) that others are failing combines as much as me. I would say my combine success rate is about 65% If anyone has some thoughts on how to get this number higher I AM ALL EARS!

[GrimwoodCT]

I have heard in a few forums that there may be a better JC enhancing item than the Grandmaster's Jeweler's Eyeglass, is this true?

The trophy or the geerlok give the max (5%) benefit thus far as far as I know.

I also heard there was a new metal with the expansion that allowed for higher level cuts making it a touch easier to get to skill 300. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Palladium is the metal you speak of. Look for info under JC and DoN recipes and you are set.

Grim