New PoP Items: How do you Handle Combines.

[Baltin]

Heya folks...
I'm just wondering what most folks do about Combines for the various and sundry items that folks have collected ( usually by rolling or looting and refusing to give up ( Had a person loot 3 Talons in a matter of minutes then refusing to spread them out amongst the others.) from the planes?

I have more or less refused to do combines ( No kit , no Time , etc etc)

How do you handle Doing combines from folks that arent Friends/Guildmates?

B.

[Iannyen]

I can tell you that the talons are a valuable planar loot (not as bas as the metallic liquid) and should be rolled on. If everyone in the group (except the looter) wants to roll on it, then the looter can either share the loot or be bumped from the group in favor of someone who will share.

I don't think that the JC'er should get any kind of priority on them, unless the entire group agrees to it at the beginning, and even then, the JC'er should exclude themselves from other loot opportunities.

Those who can't share loot should be flagged and forced to group with each other... :roll:

[Unidin]

Talons are more than common enough if you're in the caves every once in a while. The groups I've had there just kept talons out of 'normal' loot and rotated em. Within I'd say 2 hrs everyone had one.

[Baltin]

I agree that Talons/Liquid should be treated as loot and spread out to those folks that desire them. Generally ,its a parchment or Tradeskill item High roll wins , One and your out till others get.

However what has begin to bug me is the individuals who obtain all the items for a combine and do not have the tradeskill required nor do they have any friends with the skill in question. It kinda of irks me that someone who has not bothered to train the skill are rather insistant that complete stranger "just do the combine" on an item that they fully intend to sell.
How do other folks deal with it ? Or Is it a more uncommon occurance that I beleive ?

[Iannyen]

Well, if they group with you then they have as much right to loot as you do, BUT.... and I stress this BUT....if they win the loot fair and square, I believe that they should either donate some plat for the combine, or additional materials. After all, they don't get rights to your JC skill just because they grouped with you once. If they want to be treated like everybody else and get a roll on a JC item, then they can pay fo rthe combine like everybody else does.

Unless you really like em. It is, after all, your skill.

[Taraddar]

I pretty much don't do combines on any of my tradeskills I have maxed for people I don't know anymore. Especially the ones who complain that it's only clicking combine. You didn't come to me because I click the combine button better than you or the next guy. You came to me because I spent hours or even days and thousands of Plat to get my skill up to the point where hitting that combine button has a chance of actually producing something. You want combines for free make some friends or get your own skill up. I have no obligation to do combines for you just because I got MY skill up.

It's not as bad with JC as it is with smithing but in my experience they always forget something too. Opps you mean I need to enchanter the valorium. i've only got 1 velium block for a 3 ring peice, thats enough right? Too much of a hastle for no benifit to me, no thanks.

[Cigarskunk]

It's very simple - someone isn't a buddy or a guildy and wants a combine done - NP - standard fee that I'd charge anyone - if the person was freindly enough and/or seemed like they really were gonna use the item, I might give them a break, but that's about it.

[Jolla]

It's very simple - someone isn't a buddy or a guildy and wants a combine done - NP - standard fee that I'd charge anyone...

What's the standard fee or how do you compute it?

[alxkorvin]

ON Karana we roll for most JC pop items, like talons/liquids.

Now about combines. Of course, not all ppls will do combines for you, but on Karana there is always some ppls who will do combine for you if you pay. You just need to know their names

[npc01]

costs

I've seen some really weird stuff with talons/liquids ... even with talons costing more that liquids in Bazaar at one stage ...

I've given up collecting bits for other people's jewelry (with the exception on storebought stuff like vial/sapphires etc) ... I charge for the Imbue (for non-guildies/etc) and sort of through in the JC combine ... because the spell cost me a liquid ... been charging 2k (requiring liquid/talon) and giving back 1k if fail (depending on how I feel/effort for combine/chasing person) ... I bump the price if they'll selling the item rather than personal use ... have done a % of the the sale price with a person I trust but don't see why he should be the only one getting money ...

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[Anofalye]

*smile*

Hiya,

Personnally unless I want to make a gift (gift of my skill, expertise, components or whatever),

I always charge 2 raw components (stuff to make 2 combines) for each item they want...

Or I sell for pure plats....


Or I cut my price by half the PP if they provide the components for 1 combine...

If for any reason the person insist for me to combine and don`t want any of those trade I told them: Sure, but if I fail you are screwed and if I succeed I still have fees of: (5k for PoV ring, 5k for PoJ ring, 1k for those junk stuff, 15k for War earring)...if they are still arguing I just told them to send me a tell when they can afford and stop begging me, I can assure you someone with a "uber guildtag" and heavy combines don`t like to be told they are begging.

Hell they can go ask there slave guild jeweler unless they acquired the components a weird way or the guild jeweler slave don`t bear them, in which case my fees have to be meet.

If I was on a tradeskill harsher then JC my fees would be higher(3 or 4 times the raw components if something like cultural smithing), but I seldom fail a combine, and if they ask you, there is a reason, otherwise they would ask any jeweler else, they want you for some reason, and whatever the reason is, it better be worth your time.

Don`t you think they have that many options, Jeweler with JC 250 are numerous, but Jeweler with JC mastery III are not numerous and they all have overgrown ego since if they can afford 18 AA in a tradeskill, they can expect a reward for those AA. Not to mention if they have a guildtag to their name, they usually can work tradeskill with like 20% of the tradeskill workers, you know guild politics...

On a side note...I was really happy to realize that I mostly fail when folks pay me PP and THEY insist to pay less and take combine risk...:P If VI know and make me fail, TY, I could not have hope for better timing to actually fail the combine, next time they will trade more to let me assume the risks (most profitable that way for me). :P


Finally, when someone ask you a JC favor, ask yourself: Would I camp something for him for 2 hours, if the answer is no, charge him full fees! "It is only 1 combine ****it!", well 1 combine, meeting him, talking, finding the components he don`t provide or explaining, advertising, it is VERY time consuming, it is much more then only casting C3, the proof is the amount of C3er vs the amoung of Tradeskillers. Someone that hard press me, I always end up telling him to stop begging and actually meet my fees or move on, otherwise I will increase fees for him for bearing his bad attitude. :P

Finally, the worst enemy to you and yours fellow tradeskillers are ourselves, each time we accept to make a favor, we slowly but certainly kill the market, if everyone will work for free only for peoples they will actually camp stuff for them, the market would be much better. :P