Make tons of plat doing Jewelcraft fast! (This needs to be fixed!)

[Tinile]

I thought the sell back wasn't over the buying cost until electrum or gold? So you can mass enchant as many silver bars as you like with the no fail rule and it won't matter.

[Rynnia]

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No, all combines (unless I missed one or two) from Silver Jade on up, yield profit.

Silver Jade yielding the lowest at 183 copper

and

Plat Ruby yielding the highest at just over 10000 copper


As far as the comments saying that people sit at vendors and legitimately tradeskill and watch TV and don't answer tells etc etc. Of course they do. I've done plenty of tradeskilling and know people who also have done plenty of tradeskilling so I know how it is. I also know if I am not sitting there and watching my screen and being extremely diligent about it, my delays on things are not going to be near equal. Cool scene on a movie... funny commercial. That will distract me and add a pause here and there.

But use some common sense and it is easy to tell if someone is using a macro program to do this.

I also received another e-mail today from this clown saying that they recently added "optimizations" to their program and now it is making 5k plat an hour "reliably", much more with a higher level character up to 15k an hour with focus effects and AA skills, if that would change my mind about buying it. I don't think this is a hoax, and I feel even moreso now that it needs to be fixed quickly.

[drael]

Ugh, I agree. Please forward those emails (and all info you can) to ?gm team. Probably won't put them out of business but might slow them down by forcing a change of email providers, lol.

[Ortrillian]

That said - huge amounts of platinum are being offered on 'ebay' type places. I still marvel that anyone can accumulate 100k, lol, much less offer several lots of 100k. That is the leak/bug/macro/whatever I'd like to figure out and send to gm's.

Since Luclin came out I've made over a million plat doing tradeskills easily. Solstice earring quest alone made multi-tradeskillers millions of plat, especially if there were only a handful of highly skilled people making the items.

[mizoto]

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mizoto

[mizoto]

You can rest easy. After reading this I decided to try this plat making engine:

Combining 1 stack at a time,

I bought a stack of Opals and a stack of silver bars. This combine trivials at 50 and is the last guarenteed successful combine. All higher combines will fail, regardless of JCM at the minimum failure rate whatever it may be now ( I'm guessing it's still 5% post 50 ).

I mass enchanted my stack of silver, combined with the opals and sold back to the vendor just short of a 16pp profit. The whole process took 4 mins when I was careful to do it as quickly as possible without errors. By the time I was complete I was back to full mana and could have repeated the procedure.

16pp/4min == 240pp/hr (hardly worth the effort)

2.5kpp/hr can be brainlessly farmed by any 59+ enchanter (the same level required for JCM)

Mizoto

[Rynnia]

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Your method is fine assuming someone who is just plodding through and sitting at their PC, but realize that a program can be run to do this 10x faster than you possibly can, thus your 240 PP an hour should be multiplied by a significant amount.

It still seems small, I am sure, though, when you look at the hourly amount, But consider that you have to do 0 work for this and it can be run while you are not present.

Having anything in game that can be automated for personal gain that directly impacts other players is dangerous. Macroable-for-plat skills and quests are not a good idea to have in an MMORPG, and are certainly not a good idea to leave in when found.

This jewelcraft thing was not an issue until they added the no fail trivial point and decreased fails on trivials. Up until then it was near balanced, with a profit and fail rate of around 5% on trivial combines. Law of averages would end up with a person breaking even, or close to it, after millions of combines.

With the no fail trivial point and decreased failure on trivials, it needs to be changed.

[mizoto]

Also keep in mind that you need to account for spell fizzles and lag with your automated programs and the 240pp/hr is a very good estimate when you factor those in.

[tatanka7th]

"Having anything in game that can be automated for personal gain that directly impacts other players is dangerous"

OK, I just can't get that worked up about this. Even if they could average 2-3kpp and hour, unattended, I don't think there would be enough people doing this to impact/unbalance the EQ economy on a server. Not with only 10-15 people per server doing this, and I find it hard to believe there's even this many doing it.

Servers are averaging, what, 3000-3200 players at peak time? Let's say an average of 1500 players over the course of the day, so that's 36,000 player-hours per server per day. If there 10 people doing this 20 hours a day (no more, otherwise they'd never actually PLAY, so what's the point), that's 200*3000pp = 600,000pp per day they're adding to the server. Divide that over the 36,000 player-hours per day per server, and they're adding about 17pp per player-hour to the server. Hardly a blip, since most 50+ players are making 100-500pp per hour just playing the game and hunting.

And unless it's enough plat to screw up the whole server's economy, then it has NO direct impact on other players.

Cheese? Yes, of course.
Dangerous? Nah.

Tat