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**Kingbobb** · 07-27-2003, 10:59 AM

....plus a bag a chips...

Meaning, since the original post was looking for cheap 100% reduction "bags" (which, btw, should not be cheap in any sense) the trophy only gives you one permanent bag, while the rest are NO RENT. And if someone is planning on using the no rent bags to hold stuff, they WILL leave stuff in one at some time, and lose items (and the plat/time it took to get those items) eliminating any time/money spent buying permanent bags.

**uncleshmoozo** · 07-30-2003, 05:52 PM

Actually, I chose to go with a Jewelcrafting trophy for a variety of reasons.

Jewelcrafting was a skill I could raise to 250 in several sessions of a few hours each spread out over a two or three days. I could get all the way to the grandmaster level without having to leave a small area that includes the bankers and a few nearby vendors in Ak'Anon, and I could do that using combines that required an absolutely minimal number of clicks. It has a vast number of recipes, each of which results in a product that can be sold back to the vendors with minimal losses.

Furthermore those recipes have a nice, distribution of trivials across the entire range all the way up to 250 which provides a nice, closely spaced path of trivials to minimize costly combine failures. To top it all off, no hunting or merchant or bazaar mining was required.

It might be that the cost was a bit higher than the cost of grandmastering some of the other skills, but the other factors I mented above mattered more to me. Money wasn't really a concern, as the overall cost of grandmastering the skill for me was only a few thousand plat, and even after factoring in the cost of the trophy that's cheap, as I see it. Here is why.

I get more than just a bag out of the deal. I get a disposable and recoverable 10 slot bag that holds even the largest items and has 100% weight reduction. That means I can place it in my last open general inventory slot and when I need an open slot for a quest combine container or something else I can just destroy the bag to make space knowing that I can get another one quickly and easily.

That's a HUGE convenience and it allows me to maximize my carrying capacity when hunting. I have 6 other 10-slot, 100% weight reducing bags (1 leatherfoot haversack and 5 bags of the tinkerers) and a regular tailored backpack that I use to carry foraged food and water, and even after 2 of the other bags are filled with various alternative gear items for CHA, resists, effects and such, as well as spell componants and a few spares I still normally wind up with at least four 10-slot 100% weight reducing bags to carry piles of pelts, ores, armor and weapon drops and anything else that most people leave behind because it weighs too dang much! I can carry several hundred stone weight of blocks of ore, for example, and still remain well below my encumbrance level.

But wait! There's more!

I also get the trophy itself, which is a DARN nice piece of CHA gear, and when I equip it and my two opal encrusted steins my CHA goes all the way up to 160, which assures me the best prices any merchant is willing to give.

Now I would agree that for a person who wasn't using the bag as his last 100% weight reducing bag it's almost certainly likely to cost more than some of the alternatives, but for a person who already has 6 of them and is looking for one to use as I use mine, it's a pretty tough deal to beat.

**Taushar** · 07-30-2003, 08:27 PM

Re: Comment about Trophys

8 Velium bars = 262.5p ea in Thurgadin
1 Black Sapphire = 184p off a vendor
1 Blue Diamond = 262.5p off a vendor
1 Diamond = 210p off a vendor
1 Jacinth = 157.5p off a vendor
4 Rubys = 132p ea from a JC Merchant

And a Corking device, which if you got the parts and a tinker made for you:
1 Blue diamond = 262.5p
1 Sylvan oak - Foraged
Various tinkering parts = 26p (approx)

Thats about 3730p right there, provided you had everything made for you before hand with NO failures and all the prelim combines were done for free.

Of course you are assuming that you buy everything. I saved all my gems from my days in Seb and Velks. So, when I was making my trophies, I just used those gems and the expense was kept to minimum. Matter of fact, I have enough gems still to try for my 7th and final trophy in tailoring when the time comes. The only cost I had were velium bars, sylvan oak and tinkered parts and a friend to combine them for me. It did take me 2 tries to get my brewing trophy, total cost was about 5kpp.

Haversack backpacks go for about 5kpp on Xev but what I like about my trophy is that I can have one perm bag and as many no rent as needed. I only use no rent bag in an emergency, like when I have too many blocks of acrylia and I can barely move. Also, the stats on the trophy in the range slot is nothing to sneeze at.

Just another perspective.

Taushar