/em soils his armor

[splunge]

/panic mode on

On my main account, Splunge, at this moment, im grouped with Frizznik, the Tradeskill developer for EQ on test server.

Im running some tests combining very very trivial items.

He said theres gonna be some changes to how very very trivial items are handled. Id like to talk to Denmom directly before spilling any more info, but am unable to find an email address on the main page.

[Lilosh]

......

*soils his foothair*


FRIZZNIK????

Break down some ore, and show him that what he sees IS NOT what you get.

That should count as very very trivial... 58? 57?


-Lilosh

[Niami DenMother]

This thread was held for a bit while I checked to be sure it was ok to release this information.

It's now been moved back into public viewing, but the "standard" Test disclaimer applies. This is on TEST. Things can and do change from the time something hits Test, and when it goes live. Feel free to jump for joy and all that stuff, debate to your heart's content, but be aware that this is only on Test at this time, and that all bets are off with regards to how/if it will change before going live.

P.S. For *anyone* who wants to reach me before posting something that may be problematic. While I don't give away the email address to my VERY spam-filled mailbox, you can always reach me via a Private Message on the boards. I check those much more frequently than my mailbox anyway.

[Kaysha Soulsinger]

Frizznik, ahh, the ganomie ex-GM of Lanys ...

Anyway, regarding the breakdown of Ore, Lilosh, they changed it a short while back. Other people in the group and in the same zone as the one chiseling down the Ore will now only get ONE message of the item created, even if they gain multiple instances of it (i.e. making Rings out of a Large Brick of Ore yields only 1 Ring creation message, but yields 2 Rings regardless).

[splunge]

Thank you denmom. =)

/StandardTes Serverdisclaimer on

May or may not go live, but at this moment is *IS* on test server.

I see on my trader-bot monitor Frizznik in the bazaar oocing asking for anyone doing combines recently.
I was polishin off Fine Steel BPs to 188 earlier so i sentd him a tell. He asks about trivial combines, which would have been hammering the ore into sheets. He asked me if they were 200 points triv and i said no but i can check those with my ranger, 250 fletching.

So I log on. Heres the log file...
(Sorry about the length, i did trim it down a bit)

[Thu Jun 12 18:45:17 2003] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Thu Jun 12 18:45:26 2003] You told frizznik, 'ok im on, runnin to pok'
[Thu Jun 12 18:45:54 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:05 2003] You have entered Netherbian Lair.
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:18 2003] You have been summoned!
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:18 2003] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:33 2003] You have entered Plane of Knowledge.
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:39 2003] You cheer at Frizznik.
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:45 2003] You invite Frizznik to join your group.
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:47 2003] You have formed the group.
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:47 2003] Frizznik has joined the group.
[Thu Jun 12 18:46:53 2003] You tell your party, 'heade dto fletcher'
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:02 2003] Taking a screenshot...
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:16 2003] Dogle Pitt tells you, 'Welcome to my bank!'
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:16 2003] You return to view.
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:19 2003] Dogle Pitt tells you, 'Come back soon!'
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:34 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'if you make something that you are 200 over the trivial on'
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:38 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'you will never fail'
[Thu Jun 12 18:47:44 2003] You tell your party, 'okies'

(Removed buying arrow parts)

[Thu Jun 12 18:48:07 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'the higher your skill the lower your fail rate goes down'
[Thu Jun 12 18:48:13 2003] You tell your party, 'coolness =)'
[Thu Jun 12 18:48:45 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'gotta afk for 15 min meeting real quick'
[Thu Jun 12 18:48:49 2003] You tell your party, 'ok'
[Thu Jun 12 18:48:52 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'sorry '
[Thu Jun 12 18:48:58 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'was sprung on me'
[Thu Jun 12 18:50:10 2003] You tell your party, 'CLASS 1 Wood Point Arrow tricial at 16 iirc'

(Removed spam of 100 successful combines, 0 failures)

[Thu Jun 12 18:57:47 2003] You tell your party, 'perfect 100/100 combines on arrows that trivial at 16 with 250 unmodified skill.'
[Thu Jun 12 18:58:02 2003] You tell your party, 'takin a sec to rest hands then ill do another 100 combines'
[Thu Jun 12 19:01:48 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'i think 100 is pretty accurate '
[Thu Jun 12 19:02:24 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'sec meeting started back up'
[Thu Jun 12 19:02:33 2003] You tell your party, 'keen... gonna try another batch now.. k?'

(Removed selling and parts buying spam)

[Thu Jun 12 19:04:33 2003] Splunge saved.
[Thu Jun 12 19:04:37 2003] You tell your party, 'ok these will be trivial at 46'
[Thu Jun 12 19:05:04 2003] You tell your party, 'CLASS 2 Wood Point Arrow'

(removed lots of successful combine spam here)

[Thu Jun 12 19:08:18 2003] You tell your party, '40/40 so far'
[Thu Jun 12 19:10:21 2003] You tell your party, '60/60'
[Thu Jun 12 19:11:51 2003] You tell your party, '80/80'
[Thu Jun 12 19:13:53 2003] You tell your party, 'perfect 100/100 on trivial at 46 arrows at 250 unmodified skill'
[Thu Jun 12 19:14:00 2003] Splunge 's hands fall off.
[Thu Jun 12 19:15:12 2003] Splunge plants a big kiss on the top of Frizznik 's pointed gnomish head.
[Thu Jun 12 19:16:28 2003] Taking a screenshot...

[Thu Jun 12 19:27:27 2003] Meeias grins evilly at Frizznik.
[Thu Jun 12 19:28:24 2003] You tell your party, 'Ok, from what i underastand the moment something is trivial, you have about a 60-70&PCT;
chance of succes on the combine, and then it hits that 5&PCT; failure spot a number of points later
(dont know the math formula). Now its gonna be ramped down from that point at 5&PCT; ailure to 0&PCT;
failure wen the item reaches 200 points trivial?'
[Thu Jun 12 19:28:50 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'yep '
[Thu Jun 12 19:28:53 2003] Frizznik tells the group, 'gotta zone sec'
[Thu Jun 12 19:28:57 2003] You tell your party, 'k'
[Thu Jun 12 19:37:57 2003] You tell your party, 'ok i gotta scoot, thanks a bunch, frizz =)'


So thats the deal. Combines 200+ points trivial will now never fail. Combines will no longer be capped at a 5% inherent failure rate, but ramp down.

/cheer =)

[Kytelae]

So cool that they are working on this, however it falls out in the end. I love that we have a dedicated tradeskill dev!!

[Danthen]

Question, will this be based off your natural skill or modified?

[Tinile]

I would assume your real skill level, but we will not know for sure until it goes live, if it goes live.

If it does go live... KISS FRIZZNIK KISS FRIZZNIK... the BESTEST former GM of Lanys! :P :twisted:

[Lilosh]

Yes, I know this is TEST, and may never ever go live.

Anyone want to start a preliminary list of items that trivial at 50 or less?
(So we know, AT MAX SKILL, what will be no fail now?)

So far, it appears as though:

ALL ore breakdown
ALL Studs/Boning
Sheets of Acrylia, Velium, and Metal
Folded SheetsNormal, MQ, HQ rings, but NOT Velium or Acrylia.
About half of the baking utensils, smithed.

Suprisingly little Pottery. Only of note is Ceramic Lining.

HEADY KIOLA. *snicker*

Halfling Cultural, Dire Wolf Fur Conversions = WOOT!

Silver Jewelry , up to Opal.

LEATHER PADDING!!
Tailored bags (Thread and various old world pelts)

Fireworks
Firewater.






Ok, I'm bored. Anyone want to pick up the ball from here?

-Lilosh

[Tinile]

Of note, items triv under 50 which *may* become no fail for 250ers:

Baking:
BIRTHDAY CAKE SLICES!!
Clumps of dough
JUM JUM CAKE SLICES!
Noodles
WEDDING CAKE SLICES!!

Brewing:
Heady kiola
Heady paela
Water flasks

Jewelcraft:
Up to silver emeralds

Pottery:
ceramic linings
baking utensils (most)
clay conversions

Smithing:
Metal bits/rings/studs
Ore conversions
sheets (some)
baking utensils (most)
tarnished from rusty weapons woo woo!

Tailoring:
Threads
Leather padding
rallic pack
some unused baby packs
patchwork
raw silk

[Lilosh]

Threads, and the Rallic pack, were already nofail. :-)



-Lilosh

[Niami DenMother]

Suprisingly little Pottery. Only of note is Ceramic Lining.

{cough} Folks are missing the most obvious ... pottery *firing*. Y'know, that annoying extra step that potters have to do, so that they have double failure chances?

{drops a pin, waits for it to fall}

[Lilosh]

{cough} Folks are missing the most obvious ... pottery *firing*. Y'know, that annoying extra step that potters have to do, so that they have double failure chances?

*Absolutely Stunned*

*Pins drops in silence*


If anyone can put a spin on my Point of view denmother, It's you.


-Lilosh

[Antoin]

Firing is going to be huge.

Medium Clay Jars for Fine Steel Plate Dye would also be nofail at max skill (don't they trivial 31?)

But the list goes on for a while. The pottery FIRING is going to be huge.

[Balkin]

My GOD!!!!

Firing will now be no fail!!!

*jaw drops to floor*

/em scoops his jaw off the floor and re-hinges it

this is SO cool... *grin*