Vah Shir Cultural Armor....(Discussion)

[EnfinitiStarr8]

Hail all!

I come to you all today with a proposal I would like to send to SONY. It has to do with the cute race of cat people know to us as the Vah Shir and their great Cultural armor. Oh, wait; they DON’T HAVE ANY CULTURAL ARMOR! Well, that’s why I’m here. I’ve been playing around with a few idears (I’m from Mass, it has an “r” in it!) and would like you all too please help me smooth them out. Here it goes!....

First, just a few things to make Cultural Armor work for people who like background and story. Since the Vah Shir does not have gods but look to the ancient spirits for there power that is who will “Imbue” the armor. Also, the armor is made using native SoL items and the reason it too them so long to make this armor is they looked over and studied other races cultural armor until they got it just right so their armor didn’t pull out all their fur.

Second, the only big changes needed for this besides the time to code the combines are such things like some new spells have to be added:

Spell: Imbue Luclinite
MAGIC ITEM
Skill: Alteration
Mana Cost: 200
Effect: Imbue Luclinite
WT: 0.1 Size: SMALL
Class: SHM
Race: VAH

Regent: One Luclinite “Gem” after spell cast called “Imbued Luclinite” with same stats as before.

and

Spell: Enchant Acrylia
MAGIC ITEM
Skill: Alteration
Mana Cost: 325
Effect: Enchant Acrylia
WT: 0.1 Size: SMALL
Class: ENC
Race: ALL

Regent: Large Brick of

And a new Cultural Forge added in Shar Vahl and a new Cultural Tailoring Kit/Loam for the Vah Shir.

Now, to get to down business, first how to make the armor:

(NOTE: The temper is the only thing I really don’t like; please help me how to make it better.)
The Temper:

Feral Temper (Brewing, Triv of 135)
1 Owlbear Blood
1 Grimling Blood
1 Sonic Wolf Blood
1 Rockhopper Blood
1 Vah Shir Alcohol (Can remember name but know there are “Vah Shir” drinks sold in the city, kind of like the Neriak Nectar for DE Cultural)

Now, what is the metal for this great armor? What else, ACRYLIA! Yes, normal everyday acrylia, not the black, not any other kind. Also, the armor has 3 levels, just like other cultural armor;
First level:
Feral Armor – UNimbued and UNenchanted armor
Second level:
Royal Feral Armor – UNimbued but Enchanted
Third level:
Imbued Royal Feral Armor – Imbued and Enchanted

Also, before I get into the armor details, just quick touch on why I picked the Classes that can use them.

Plate: WAR, BRD, SK AND PALLY
The Vah Shir have both Warrior’s and Bards, so the Plate must fit both, Bards are hybrids so having it fit them would make it fit the other hybrid plate classes also.

Chain: SHM, ROG AND RNG
Again, Vah Shir has Shaman and Rouges and armor for the two would fit a Ranger nicely.

Leather: BST, DRU AND MNK
Lastly, Vah Shir are the ones who started BLs so the know them, BLs are very close to Monks and just between the two Druids luck out.

Now, on to making the armor!
Plate Armor for full Imbued Royal Feral Armor:

Infused Acrylia Rings
Enchanted Chain Jointing
Feral Temper
Leather Padding
Smithy Hammer
Proper Mold
Imbued Luclinite
1 Ring – Bracer, Visor, Gorget, Boots
2 Rings – Belt, Helm, Gauntlets, Paudrons, Vambracers
3 Rings – Legs, Breastplate, Cloak

Chainmail Armor for full Imbued Royal Feral Armor:

Smithy Hammer
Feral Temper
Leather Armor
Proper Pattern
Infused Acrylia Rings
Imbued Luclinite
1 Ring – Veil, Neck, Bracers
2 Rings – Coif, Mantel, Skirt, Arms, Gloves
3 Rings – Tunic, Cape, Legs

(In Cultural Tailoring Kit/Loam)
Leather Armor for full Imbued Royal Feral Armor:

Embroiling Needle
Flawless Rockhopper Hide
True Paeala bark Tanning (Brewing, Triv 102, 4 Paeala barks + water)
Imbued Luclinite
Proper Pattern
Infused Acrylia Boning

Now, the stats for the armors:

Plate:

Visor - AC 13, INT 5, AGI 5, HP 40, mana 20
Collar - AC 15, INT 5, AGI 5, HP 35, mana 15
Cloak - AC 17, AGI 5, INT 10, HP 50, mana 30
Girdle - AC 20, STR 5, INT 5, HP 50, mana 30
Pauldrons - AC 21, DEX 5, INT 5, HP 40, mana 20
Gauntlets - AC 25, DEX 5, INT 5, HP 35, mana 15
Bracer - AC 26, STR 5, INT 5, HP 40, mana 20, 6 to all saves
Helm - AC 26, INT 5, WIS 5, mana 40, HP 20
Vambraces - AC 27, STR 5, INT 5, HP 40, mana 20
Boots - AC 31, INT 5, DEX 5, HP 40, mana 20
Greaves - AC 41, STR 10, INT 10, mana 50, HP 30
Breastplate - AC 52, STR 5, STA 5, INT 10, HP 50, mana 30

Chain:

Veil - AC 12, STR 5, WIS 5, mana 30, HP 30
Neckguard - AC 13, WIS 5, AGI 5, HP 25, mana 25
Bracer - AC 14, STA 5, WIS 5, HP 30, mana 30, 6 to all saves
Gloves - AC 14, DEX 5, WIS 5, HP 25, mana 25
Cape - AC 16, AGI 5, WIS 10, HP 40, mana 40
Mantle - AC 17, WIS 5, DEX 5, HP 30, mana 30
Skirt - AC 17, STR 5, WIS 5, HP 40, mana 40
Boots - AC 18, AGI 5, DEX 5, HP 30, mana 30
Sleeves - AC 18, DEX 5, WIS 5, HP 30, mana 30
Coif - AC 19, DEX 5, WIS 5, HP 30, mana 30
Leggings - AC 24, STR 10, WIS 5, HP 40, mana 40
Ringmail (tunic) - AC 32, STA 5, WIS 10, HP 40, mana 40

Leather:

Gorget - AC 8, AGI 5, DEX 5, HP 15, Mana 35
Mask - AC 10, AGI 5, WIS 5, HP 20, Mana 40
Shoulderpads – AC 10, DEX 5, STA 5, HP 20, Mana 40
Wristguard - AC 11, WIS 5, INT 5, HP 25, Mana 35, 6 to all saves
Skullcap – AC 11, STA 5, WIS 5, HP 20, Mana 40
Gloves – AC 11, DEX 5, WIS 5, HP 15, Mana 35
Boots – AC 11, DEX 5, AGI 10, HP 20, Mana 40
Sleeves – AC 13, STA 5, DEX 5, HP 20, Mana 40
Cloak – AC 13, STR 10, WIS 5, HP 30, Mana 50
Pants – AC 17, STA 5, WIS 5, HP 30, Mana 50
Tunic – AC 23, STR 10, STA 10, WIS 5, HP 30, Mana 50

And that is it all in a nutshell, I know it’s kind of leaving a few holes, but that’s why I want feedback. Thank you all who help out. I want something good to send to SONY. They might just listen!

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

If nothing else, I would suggest not having an enchanted only. This is because all Vah Shir have the same deity (agnostic, or Tunare on Sullon Zek). Just a suggestion. Also your temper has more ingredients than most, which typically have three plus the liquid part. The only one that really has four 'dropped' components is the high elf with the dropped or foraged morning dew.

I think that many other smiths will not be happy to see Acrylia used for something else; Vah Shir may not be happy to see their metal be drop only, and it would break the balance for routes to upper end smithing if they made it vendor sold.

I'm not sure why you have the classes listed that you do; I can only assume that those are the classes for enchanted only, since only the Vah Shir worship the deity they have (with the exception of on Sullon Zek with Tunare), so no one else would be able to wear their imbued armor.

[Angelsyn]

1) Why do the armours have higher AC than most other BD Cultural?

2) Where is your differentiation between Normal, Enchanted & Enchanted/Imbued?

3) Since the Vah Shir are Agnostic, why would/should they need both Enchanted & Enchanted/Imbued?

4) Given the size of the Vah Shir, I could maybe see Barbarians & possibly Ogres & Trolls wearing armour made to fit Vah Shir.

5) Your temper idea seems fine. Might take Rockhopper Blood out, since that's No Drop (If I remember right).

6) Unless you're going to suggest pre-BD cultural armours, there's no need for the "Enchant Acrylia" spell. One extra step that's pointless (Barbarians, for example, don't use enchanted metals). The "Imbue Luclinite" idea is nice, but I have to warn you that the gems themselves aren't ultra-common.

7) The name "Feral (insert armour piece here)" is in use already.

Try this:

Lunar Temper:
1 Owlbear Blood
1 Grimling Blood
1 Sonic Wolf Blood
1 Vah Shir Alcohol

Lunar Plate:
1 Lunar Temper
1 Acrylia Chain Jointing
1 Combine Acrylia Hammer
1 Leather Padding
1 Large Plate Mold
1-3 Infused Folded Sheets of Acrylia. (See the recipie used in Troll Smithing for these.)

Stats would be identical to Fine Heraldic/Full Mithril/etc. It would be wearable by WAR, BRD, SHD for classes & VAH, TRL, OGR, BAR, IKS (iffy here, but it would finally give -something- for Iksar Plate wearers) for races.

Imbued Lunar Plate would be the same recipe, with the Imbued Luclinite added. Stats would be similar to Helanic Tundra armour... with perhaps one or two pieces trading +sta for +int and an HP/Mana spread identical to the Rallos-Zek Ogre Plate. It would be wearable only by Vah Shir Warriors & Bards (because it's Imbued by the Spirits ).

Lunar Chain would, of course be:
1 Lunar Temper
1 Combine Acrylia Hammer
1 appropriate piece large patchwork/tattered armor
1 Large Chainmail Mold
1-3 Infused Acrylia Rings. (Acrylia Rings + Celestial Temper + Combine Acrylia Hammer.)

Stats would be identical to Fine Seafarers/Brellium Chainmail. It would be wearable by ROG & SHM for classes & VAH, BAR, OGR, TRL & IKS for races.

Imbued Lunar Chain would be the same recipe, with the Imbued Luclinite added. Stats would be similar to a cross between the Mischievious Chain & Underfoot Chain. It would be wearable by Vah Shir Rogues & Shamans only (for the same reason as the Plate).

Lunar Leathers:
1 Lunar Temper
1 Combine Acrylia Hammer
1 appropriate piece large patchwork/tattered armor
1 Large Chainmail Mold
1-3 Infused Acrylia Boning. (Acrylia Boning + Celestial Temper + Combine Acrylia Hammer.)

Stats would be like the Black-Lace Boned Armour, only minus a number of the stats... as is appropriate for non-Imbued armour. It would be wearable by MNK & BST for classes, & VAH, BAR, OGR, TRL, IKS (and Human? I don't see why not, really) for races. I also see it having an HP/Mana spread similar to the Ogre's Crimson DarkPlate armour.

Imbued Lunar Leather would be the same recipe, with the Imbued Luclinite added. I also see it having an HP/Mana spread similar to the Ogre's Crimson DarkPlate armour. Stats would be similar to the Black-Lace Boned Armour. It would be wearable by Vah Shir Beastlords only (for the same reason as the Plate).

How's that?

[EnfinitiStarr8]

1) Why do the armours have higher AC than most other BD Cultural?

2) Where is your differentiation between Normal, Enchanted & Enchanted/Imbued?

3) Since the Vah Shir are Agnostic, why would/should they need both Enchanted & Enchanted/Imbued?

4) Given the size of the Vah Shir, I could maybe see Barbarians & possibly Ogres & Trolls wearing armour made to fit Vah Shir.

5) Your temper idea seems fine. Might take Rockhopper Blood out, since that's No Drop (If I remember right).

6) Unless you're going to suggest pre-BD cultural armours, there's no need for the "Enchant Acrylia" spell. One extra step that's pointless (Barbarians, for example, don't use enchanted metals). The "Imbue Luclinite" idea is nice, but I have to warn you that the gems themselves aren't ultra-common.

7) The name "Feral (insert armour piece here)" is in use already.

1) I was looking at it from Vah Shir being a "Large" race and the Orges armor is naturaly higher AC so I thought it would fit. Not as high as Orges but higher then the "Smaller" races.

2) I have it, forgot to put it in, will add it later.

3) I was thinking both because, well, every other race had it that way. ops:

4) I put classes, not races, I never ment to have all the races of a class use the armor, sorry about that.

5) Like I said, I didn't like the temper, wanted help on it.

6) I was thinking SONY would require the Enchanter part, it seemed all the others have it that way.

7) I didn't know it was already used.

And HQ Ore was for a LONG time drop only. And if they had an even more limited supply on vendors it would not mess us the game that much.

[Sanna]

And HQ Ore was for a LONG time drop only. And if they had an even more limited supply on vendors it would not mess us the game that much.

and as soon as a zone reset, that vendor would be out of ore. superfast. either have a restock quest, or ... i don't know what 'or'. i still wonder if it would mess other things up tho.... maybe not. but maybe.

you're still brave to undertake such a creation project. i admire you for it. a taste of what the people at verant go through. ideas, rejection, rewrites, polishing, changing, tweaking, etc etc.

[Gargazon]

Sound like a good fix for troll/ogre agnostics as well. I could stop beating a dead horse.

[Froni Thunderpaws]

I would think Vah Shir would get cultural leather tailoring instead of cultural smithing. Even though there are 3 plate classes and a chain class, the characteristic class is the beastlord and that is already asssociated with tailoring. (This parallels halflings and wood elves with 1 leather class, 2 chain classes, and 2 plate classes if I counted right, but still they have cultural tailoring not smithing for armors).

That said - making an acrylia imbue and some sort of BD recipe set, the tailoring could be based off of acrylia leathers that have already found favor with the leather wearing crowd.

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

Vah Shir can't be too large, as they don't even have slam. Barbarians do not have extra AC, so it's probably not a size thing.

We assumed on races, since you listed classes that Vah Shir can't be.

They made the restockable high quality ore vendor slightly before the blue diamond armor came out, I think? Around the same time they made the enchants stop taking jacinths or blue diamonds and what not, I believe. And the only other use for High Quality Ore is Ornate Chain, which few smiths make. Just seems like a better idea to add another ore altogether.

[Itzena]

More ideas about having cultural tailoring...

Use Flawless (new drop) owlbear hides + acrylia* boning + curing agent + etc. to make Acrylia-boned Owlhide. (Plate equivalent)

Flawless Sonic Wolf Hides + acrylia* studs + etc for Acrylia-studded Wolfhide. (Chain equivalent)

No idea what hide to use for leather equivalent, though.

*Acrylia - how about adding something like 'Pearlescent acrylia' (used instead of mundane acrylia) as a vendor buy in Shar Vahl, with a HQ ore-type refill quest. Background lore is that it was found after Shar Vahl impacted onto Luclin's surface and is usually found deep underground (and add drops of 'shimmering acrylia rocks' for the refill quest)

All completely off of the top of my head, so probably full of holes.

[Lilosh]

Are you kidding?


ANOTHER use for acrylia?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Please find something else that Every tailor , smith, and fletcher on the planet don't already pay outrageous prices for.

-Lilosh

[Sanna]

lilosh, hon, they're working on that. don't scare enfiniti more than i'm sure she already is, heh.

1) a separate vendor-bought type of acrylia for the cultural, with a restock quest - frankly, I like, in the long run. but in the early days... well, all markets swing around wildly before settling.

2) cultural tailoring rather than smithing. (but still, what hide to use for the leather equiv.) - Undecided from me. sounds like it could be made to work, tho, if there's a 3rd hide, or just some shifting around. Hopper hide for the leather classes? if owlbear for plate and wolf for chain. But hoppers, like acrylia, are already hunted enough...

3) listed classes Vah Shir can't be - don't all culturals have race/classes the maker's race can't be? That the only real restriction is the maker, and maybe the deity of the wearer. But i'm fuzzy on that point.

I like charts. does anyone know of a chart of this sort of stuff? the culturals attributes, i mean. wonder how hard that would be to make.

all from me.

-- sanna
sans sig

[EnfinitiStarr8]

lilosh, hon, they're working on that. don't scare enfiniti more than i'm sure she already is, heh.

What am I, Lilosh, I'm a GUY, not a girl! I know, I know, it's the name. Lilosh, think we would form a support group or something?

[Lilosh]

lilosh, hon, they're working on that. don't scare enfiniti more than i'm sure she already is, heh.

What am I, Lilosh, I'm a GUY, not a girl! I know, I know, it's the name. Lilosh, think we would form a support group or something?

Hello, my name is Lilosh, and people always assume stupid things about my name.


HI LILOSH.

[Inyidd]

I've been there myself, in other games, with other names. *sigh*

--Inyidd

[Rostan]

Not to be rude or anything like that, but why do you feel that Vah Shir deserve cultural armor and Half Elves, who have been in the game long before your race, do not? If anybody should recieve cultural armor it's the Half Elves. Don't spout that BS that SoE says either. IMO Half elves should be able to do both Wood Elf AND Human cultural, since they are half and half, and to offset the hard times we have all went through being without cultural for so long.