Effectiveness of 355wis/int?

[Calabar]

I find it interesting that people claim that selling items to the same vendor causes their prices to drop. I’m not saying that it’s not true, but from my own personal experience I’ve never seen it happen. I know for a fact that both faction and charisma have an effect on NPC merchant prices. I’ve seen this happen to me countless times. I also know that there’s a difference in prices from merchants of the same faction. When I’m looking for a new merchant I’ll take a light stone or greater light stone and try to sell it to different merchants. I’ve gone to merchants with the same faction, PoK is a good example of this, and been offered different amounts for my light stone. Once I find a merchant that offers the best price I’ll always go to that merchant in that zone when I want to sell. Interesting enough, which NPC that is varies depending on which character I’m playing. My wood elf druid uses a dwarf NPC near the brew barrels in PoK, but my kitty shaman gets better prices from the barbarian in the stall across from the brew barrel. Both these characters have a charisma above 125 and all the merchants are indifferent.

So once I find a good vendor in a specific zone I always sell to that vendor. This means that I’ve sold tons and tons of the same items to the same vendor and I’ve never seen a difference in prices. I’ve specifically watched for this after reading posts about prices dropping. But even after selling hundreds of the same item, specifically when I’m skilling up on an item such as Minotaur Hero's Brew, I’ve never seen the price change by so much as a copper.

As for having large amounts of intelligence or wisdom for trade skills, I’m reading the posts with great interest. I’m doing good to get my wisdom above 220, so it will be some time before I can post about any personal experience with 300+ stats. But I would certainly hope that it would make a difference in skill ups. It would be such a waste if it didn’t.

[Ariene]

Baking 250 ~ Fishing 180 ~ Pottery 173 ~ Blacksmithing 162 ~ Brewing 151 ~ Jewelcraft 122 ~ Tailoring 51

And it's not an attack, but, other than Baking, I wouldn't expect you to have run into any really bad runs with no skillups, most skills don't get "hell levels" until around 190.

I was talking about baking. I was barely over 200 when PoP came out but it took me a while to get my wis up.

[Sanna]

Actually people have said all over this board that plus 255 wis/int/str/dex whatever the trade may be can help. It comes up all the time in the sections I tend to read -- general, primal scream, smithing, and pottery. How you could never have seen it completely boggles me. It's just hard to imagine that could be true if you read these boards at all regularly(they aren't exactly high traffic -- stuff stays up for a good while).

/agree that it's odd i've never seen that. you'd think that 'apprentice trader' under my name would mean something. ~_~. maybe, by total random chance, i've just seen a very low amount of these messages, and since my brain treats it as 'something i already know', the fact that what people are saying doesn't match with my data doesn't stick?

i had the idea to go read every post on the first two pages of every tradeskill forum to check. Got halfway through smithing and decided, 'no'. I did see, and have recalled seeing for a time now, that people often post that their given stat (wis/int/str/dex/whathaveyou) is above 255, but I always assumed they were just 'bragging'. ^_^.

And then there's this question, prompted by the Roomie...
"IF 255+ wis/int does help with tradeskills, why does the game 'cap' it (ie, in inventory window) at 255? If there really is a use for significantly higher stats, why not just show that in the first place and avoid all this confusion?"

Likewise, your assertion that the devs supposedly said something is not something I want to gainsay specifically, but another fellow in this thread points out that, not just as a rumor, but he both personally and specifically asked questions of SOE...

um..... maybe i said something a little unclear at the end of my post. If the devs themselves say that 255+ does help, then a lot of previously-misinformed people (like me and all the people i've apparently talked to) need to be correctly informed. Apologies for un-clarity there.

[kiztent]

And then there's this question, prompted by the Roomie...
"IF 255+ wis/int does help with tradeskills, why does the game 'cap' it (ie, in inventory window) at 255? If there really is a use for significantly higher stats, why not just show that in the first place and avoid all this confusion?"

It IS capped at 255. If you are level 60 or under.

At level 61, you get 5 more points added to your stat caps. Same at levels 62 to 65.

You can purchase planar power AAs, which increase your stat caps by 5 as well.

Casters can purchase, I think, planar enlightenments, 5 levels, increases your int/wis cap by 10 (?).

This means a level 65 has a displayed cap of 280, raising to 305 with 5 levels of planar power.

Casters can go up to 355 (I think), INT/WIS.

INT/WIS over 255 is only relevant for the post 60 crowd.

Check this picture (sorry about the name):
http://www.fohguild.org/images/RatheGod****it.jpg

and look at the displayed stats.

[Hobbun]

I really have no idea whether a 255+ int/wis will help in tradeskilling since mine is not above it. But...I really don't see why it shouldn't. A few of the posts mentioned that Sony has said that it won't help raising it in regards to tradeskilling, but why not? I can see why they put a cap on the charisma in the factor with merchants, but why can't a 355 wis/int have you skill up more often? They don't have to have where you are skilling up every or every other combine, but if you are going to put in all that extra time to raise it that high, then there is no reason not to have some noticeable difference in skilling up over someone who only has a 255 int/wis.

*shrugs* Just my opinion.


Hobbun

[Sethlic]

Let me say this simply.
My personal experience has been that having 290 wis does better that 255 wis. This is my personal expirience as I have master baking , brewing almost pottery and smithing. It could juts be me but I'm just stating what I see from my own actions.

[Iline]

My friend and me raised JC tonight. Me: lv 65 wizard 285 int. My friend :lv 65 druid 330 wis. Dex and Agi + or - 5 from each other, about 110 Dex and 95 Agi. I was at 200 when he was at 210. When I was at 210, he was near 240. Friend was a bit faster to make combines tho. He was able to get 30 skills up while I got 10. But I know the RNG hate me between 205-207 ( 270 combines for 3 skill up). So yeah, I belive that having the max int-wis help with tradeskills. We play on Test Server, but I doubt that affect the result in some way.

[thrashette]

Here is some Data

This data is from skilling up in languages. I expect that it has a basic similarity to skilling up in tradeskills.

Two people learned a language from skill 0 in the same group. They did not ever attain the same skill in the same time. I list here the skill of both when the higher int person reached 100.

With int of 260/330:
84/100 <- elder dragon
82/100 <- barbarian
88/100 <- gnome
85/100 <- dark speech
89/100 <- faerie

And two more runs with int of 260/290.
95/100 <- orcish
97/100 <- elder tierdal. For some reason, this took both people 3 times as long as any other language to learn to 100.

[Llwyd]

For thrashette's language example above, if skillups were linear with int/wis you'd expect the lower statted person to end up at the ratio of the two numbers:

260/330 = 0.788
260/290 = 0.897

The lower statted person ended up about 10 points higher than this linear assumption would indicate, thus higher int/wis was making a very noticable and consistant difference, but not quite as big a one as you might expect.

Since I'm at level 58.5, at 2.5 AA (run 3 soon!), 255 wis, and at 196 smithing, this discussion is making me think that I need to get past 60 and put some AA points into >255 wis. Anything that can reduce my time farming swirlies is more than worth while.

[Reflan]

You should. Friends of mine with over 300 wisdom/int have been far more successful getting skill ups than I have been in the range of 250 to 295 wisdom. Now at 305 I haven't done enough combines to judge yet, but my high wis/int friends were quite commonly getting skill ups at 17 to 20 combines. Mine have been more than TWICE as bad, over a sample size of thousands of combines.