Effectiveness of 355wis/int?

[Hardane]

Exping sucks, thanks, and I've struggled my way to 305wis and do not like the prospects of spending another 15 to get to 355.

Can anyone say if 355 really makes that much more of a difference over 305 and 280? Have all skills up to 200 basically besides the 250 brewing and need to decide whether to start now and plug points into Tanaan mastery or keep raising wis for better skill-ups.

[Raiyaeq]

I don't have the data, but when I had 280, and doing brewing I avg 1point/stack on hero brew. Now at 355 I avg 1.5point/stack on hero brew.

Currently brewing at 241.

[NightGod]

Skillups also get more common as you get closer to trival (as there is a slightly higher chance of a skillup on a success as opposed to a failure).

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, SoE devs said that 255 was the stat cap as far as tradeskills were concerned. I distinctly remember being relieved at that fact when I read it.

[Sanna]

it's like the 104-cha-merchant-cap. You can have 255 cha, but the merchants stop caring after 104.

for tradeskill purposes, you have sufficient wis. the tradeskills stop caring after 255; 305 wis to them is exactly the same.

your mana pool, on the other hand, loves you. ^_^

[Ariene]

Unless I've just been really lucky with the RNG since PoP came out, I would think higher wisdom does help. I have 300 wis now and my skillups come a lot faster than they used to. The RNG still hates me some days when it comes to failing but I haven't had a bad streak on skillups since PoP. Circumstancial, yes. I have no numbers to back me up. But I think wis over 255 does count and I've also debated spending a few more AA points to get it higher.

[NightGod]

Unless I've just been really lucky with the RNG since PoP came out, I would think higher wisdom does help

You've been really lucky.

Baking 250 ~ Fishing 180 ~ Pottery 173 ~ Blacksmithing 162 ~ Brewing 151 ~ Jewelcraft 122 ~ Tailoring 51

And it's not an attack, but, other than Baking, I wouldn't expect you to have run into any really bad runs with no skillups, most skills don't get "hell levels" until around 190.

[Sanna]

i noticed, and not just that sort of 'i think it happened around here' sort of thing.... right at 175 and 176, baking went CRUNCH. I remember thinking when i got 177, 'wow, haven't seen that skillup message in a while...' And with the single exception of 193 to 195 (two points in 14 HMP combines) every single point has cost OVER four stacks of combines. i think 197 was closer to 9 or 10.

So, your Baking aside, no, you haven't hit the brick wall yet. My roomie has psychotic wis (ie, really high) and shot from baking 0 to baking 175. and it went crunch, and she hasn't returned to her spit since.


good luck with all your combines. ^_^
/hug

[Reflan]

Having spent 2 points in planar power and 6 in two levels of innate enlightenment, I kind of hope you guys are right and hope you're wrong at the same time. I'd like to think my investment has a pay-off, as I only did it for tradeskills, but then again, I'd like to think that being 290 wisdom won't make tradeskilling vastly more difficult for me than would 295 or 320 or whatever.

[Figg]

i usually wonder when these questions come up if even anyone at SonyEQ knows for sure what helps and what doesnt matter. i personally have worn out a few lucky rabbits feet, lucky trolly dolls and a worry stone or 2 while doing tradeskills, i will continue to max out my wis as i AA and level up. if it doesnt help it at least cant hurt having it high. i also remember getting info of changes to tradeskills after the fact, so im ready in case they change their stance or revise their opinion.

[Ginieniel Starryeyes]

I wanted to comment on this:

it's like the 104-cha-merchant-cap. You can have 255 cha, but the merchants stop caring after 104.

I was operating under the thought that the cap was 115. One day a month or two ago I noticed merchant was seling me high quality ore for 1pp less. (18 something instead of 19 something.) Took a bit to figure out why...but eeek I was out of food and eating my Lucky Cabbages which gave me an additional 7 charisma. So now I put up at least 121 charisma. I haven't checked to see what the real cap is. but it is higher than 115 now. Groans, ate 7 Lucky Cabbages that day! LOL

Gini

[BuilderOfCastles]

The more a merchant is sold to, the more charisma you will need to get best price. I have many items with CHA bonuses; 8th shawl, tradeskill trophy, etc. I usually run around with 143 CHA all the time.

I have run into this problem with the merchants near the bank in PoK and the jewelry merchants in SH near the bazaar; I needed MORE Charisma to get best price!! =8-O

I also remember a post about SOE event where the developer was quoted as saying that INT and WIS above 255 aid in success of combines. It is hard to get extremely high WIS / INT, it should do something.

[Taushar]

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, SoE devs said that 255 was the stat cap as far as tradeskills were concerned. I distinctly remember being relieved at that fact when I read it.

for tradeskill purposes, you have sufficient wis. the tradeskills stop caring after 255; 305 wis to them is exactly the same.

I don't know where you guys get these rumors from. I asked the developers at the San Francisco Fan Faire and they confirmed that all stats above 255 contributes to skill ups. I specifically asked about above 300 wisdom and they said that higher the stats (wis/int or whatever) does effect the skill up. I have noticed personally that I do skill up much faster above 300 than at 255.

Taushar

[Taushar]

I wanted to comment on this:

it's like the 104-cha-merchant-cap. You can have 255 cha, but the merchants stop caring after 104.

I was operating under the thought that the cap was 115. One day a month or two ago I noticed merchant was seling me high quality ore for 1pp less. (18 something instead of 19 something.) Took a bit to figure out why...but eeek I was out of food and eating my Lucky Cabbages which gave me an additional 7 charisma. So now I put up at least 121 charisma. I haven't checked to see what the real cap is. but it is higher than 115 now. Groans, ate 7 Lucky Cabbages that day! LOL

Gini

From my personal experience, with ally or better faction, it's about 124 before merchants don't care about your charisma. Also, I believe, I may be wrong, that faction plays a factor in pricing. So if your faction is lower than normal, you may need better charisma to get better price than that.

Taushar

[Sanna]

hm. if it IS just a rumor, it's a rather widespread one, for before this thread, i have never run into anyone saying anything else.....


re HQ ore...
Clico, dwarf cleric of brell, can buy large bricks of HQ ore from the kitty in pok for 17.324p with 105 cha. This is with no known faction hits of any kind at all, and no previous buy/sell experience with that merchant.


When I started a kitty shaman on vallon, I would always always always sell to the one cat vendor chick right in the door in Shar Vahl, who's name starts with C and occasionally wanders off to the bank. After a while, she started giving me 2c for things that i formerly only got 1c for, and some other prices started changing a bit, yeah, just in the copper range, but still. Roomie always always ALWAYS sells to the same Ironstove guy in pok, and she has noticed differences in the silver range.

About this point in typing all this out, it occurs to me to think about where i got these 'rumors' in my head from....

http://eqtraders.com/prices/about_pricing.htm
" Better known is the "magic number" of charisma, 104. This is the point at which indifferent or better merchants will give you the best price they're ever going to give you."
" The last and highest number to shoot for is 132. This is the charisma at which you can normally get the cheapest prices even with apprehensive faction."

if i understand this right (yes this IS another 2am post, you'd think i'd have learned to avoid these by now), to the indiff merchants like those in pok, 104 should indeed be the number to shoot for.



now, away from cha, and back to wis/int....

again, until now, i've never heard anyone say that 255+ wis/int matters to tradeskills. i can see why more wis/int would help skillups (you're freaking smart, so you learn better), but no one has ever said anything other than '255 is cap.' if the devs say it... well, someone better start informing the masses otherwise.

[Reflan]

Actually people have said all over this board that plus 255 wis/int/str/dex whatever the trade may be can help. It comes up all the time in the sections I tend to read -- general, primal scream, smithing, and pottery. How you could never have seen it completely boggles me. It's just hard to imagine that could be true if you read these boards at all regularly(they aren't exactly high traffic -- stuff stays up for a good while).

Likewise, your assertion that the devs supposedly said something is not something I want to gainsay specifically, but another fellow in this thread points out that, not just as a rumor, but he both personally and specifically asked questions of SOE and got told that above 255 DOES make a difference. So who are we to believe? I'm not saying I know the answer to that, but clearly that subject seems at issue, not something either unheard of until now OR decisively settled.

While one person's anecdotal evidence may be no better than the next, my friends with high wis/int have progressed extremely quickly in tradeskills compared to me, and I started skilling in earnest at 265 wisdom. They had 300 and up. I just bought a second level of innate enlightenment, giving me 10 more wisdom to bring me to 290 total. I'm not saying this is anything more than a personal anecdote, so take it as you will, though I do note that my friends' anecdotes echo my own exactly.

Anyway, I've taken somewhere solidly over 300 combines on shadowscream armor to move from 188 to 195 in smithing, mostly at 275 wisdom and 280. Today, getting 290 wisdom due to adding another level of planar enlightement, I got five skill ups in 62 combines, about 1 every 12 combines, to hit 200. Note that I did well over 100 combines at skill point 195 alone without hitting 196; when I passed my 280 wisdom mark, 196 didn't seem so special, and the next four just came tumbling after. A friend of mine with 325 wisdom told me that he gets 17 combines per skill up regulary in high end tradeskilling. That was not my experience in the higher ends of baking(250) or pottery(250) up to now, or jewelry(200) or brewing(200), and has not been my experience with shadowscream either. Until now.

I'm going to keep on spending the AA points per level. 17 combines or the 20 that people often report has been much better than I'm used to getting; I'm shooting for it however I can.