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These items are speicifically found in Cobal Scar at the otterman camps down on the beach. One of the vendors sells baking supplies including these two items.
Kinda hard to get to if you're not a porter, so stock up while you're there. If you're a smithy/brewer grab a bunch of brown alge for Coldain heaters to make your coldain smithing temper while you're there too!
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