Tradeskill Product Prices Seem to be Increasing

[Draggar]

The exact opposite is happening on Kane Bayle.

I think word got out that basic TS supplies sell for more on here, and people flocked (not putting the second half of the equasion realizing that EVERYTHING is expensive here..).

Leather paddings which were selling for 15-20PP each now sit on my for 12 for days and days.

Geerlok contraptions in the past 3 weeks have dropped form an average of 300-500PP each (some as high as 1K) are now mostly below 100PP (Fermentation is at 10PP!).

The PP = hungry bubble is bursting now, and ever since LoY prices haven't changed a bit.

Too bad the really fun (and highly overpriced) items aren't going down yet, a Mask of Tinkering (Rog/Bard Illusion Gnome mask) is still selling for 15K-50K.

[Kingbobb]

On E'Ci I saw a brief jump in business right after LoY went live....Frog twinks being the main culprit, is my suspicion. I didn't raise prices, but I did sell some shadowscream smithed armor, something I hadn't done in the past, and for decent profit. Higher level smithed goods (acrylia, even human BD cultural) has been seriouslu eroding over the past few months. Acrylia BPs are sitting in inventory at 1500pp, down from 3000 when the market began, and I see prices dropping even farther. The skilup path market, plus high success rates on acrylia, flooded the market with product while inflating the prices on windstones and blocks of acrylia.

Now that LoY's been out for a while, the twink rush seems to have dropped off.

[Reflan]

Almost immediately after I made my post up above, I noted prices plunging even further. The opal encrusted steins(charisma 25) were at 25-35, and now there's a guy selling them for 19. Grobbs from 9 to 6 to 5.5 in one day.

Logged on today, opal steins steady at 19 except one guy selling them at 10. The opal cost alone is 20pp, and you certainly have a fair chance to lose them during the three different combines needed for the finished product. So they're being sold at well under half of the cost to make them.

Star ruby encrusted steins prices dropped too; another fellow selling far lower than the market just to dump his stuff, and perhaps force others out of the market. Seems especially unwise with this item, as it's not really good for anything but the POTC earring, and you'll only ever need one of them per character. Flooding the market at low prices isn't really going to get you quicker sales; the sales on those are fairly slow but fairly steady.

Golden idol prices down 100 to 200pp each.

The prices are definitely down now, and more quickly than I thought they would be. So goes my server at this time.

And most froggies are still busy leveling, not tradeskilling. Watch what happens when those little twinks start tradeskilling with unlimited plat.

[kiztent]

And most froggies are still busy leveling, not tradeskilling. Watch what happens when those little twinks start tradeskilling with unlimited plat.

The people with unlimited plat aren't going to be tradeskilling twinks. They have NTCM. Until decent no drop crafted items are put into game, I don't expect to see a flood of frog tradeskillers.

[Reflan]

If anyone knows what NTCM is supposed to mean, I'm afraid it's not me.

However, I find your statement that people with unlimited plat won't tradeskill too much of a blanket statement. Maybe if I knew what NTCM means I would know the argument behind your assertion. It remains mysterious to me thus far.

Just last night though on the tradeskill channel, a guy was wondering whether to dump a quick 400k into smithing, avoiding the shadowscream route and doing sickles regardless of the eventual profit or loss selling them. There are an awful lot of tradeskillers around or people who eventually move into tradeskilling who have a great deal of money, and a lot of people who like to start twinks. Personally, I get all my twinks at least reasonably good at baking and pottery right away, just to feed themselves and make thurg potions, for one. If I had a frog, he'd have gotten to at least 188 pottery already probably, considering all the zombie skins I have, as I think thurg potions are very important and as I have too many dang zombie skins all over the place.

I don't think there's any reason to think that the people who have money are people who don't twink or don't tradeskill. I anticipate plenty of froggy shamans and wizards doing the shawl quest, other froggies working up coldain rings, maybe even some starting up the aid gimel quest -- a few even spending lots of time on it. People with strong guild help and lots of money can rip through tradeskills very very quickly. It's not nearly as intimidating or time consuming to them as it is to many people with lesser finances and connections. Remember, not every frog has to tradeskill to have an effect on tradeskills -- not at all. All it takes is a single person to disrupt or change a market. You should see how many people are all over the grobbs liquidized meat market now, baking, and pottery on my server. The /bazaar box has gone from having a few people in it with these items to requiring a good bit of scrolling.

And, as I noted multiple times above, I've seen a sudden drop in tradeskill prices on the items I've been doing for weeks(for months on some of them). For my server and "my" items, I see no reason to think the sudden drop of prices and sudden surge of people dumping tradeskill items at cost or even below has no relationship to the starting of twinks. There's no reason at all to think that, and there's plenty of reason to have predicted twinks making tradeskill prices plunge, so I'm going to have to stick with what seems a quite logical premise and ride out your disagreement.

[Ndainye]

With LoY bank space increased so casual sellers that sell to clear space in banks have more storage space now so it takes longer to refill between trader times. Hard core traders and 2(or more) computer bots will still be there.

As for raw material prices going down I don't really have an answer other than possibly the lower level froggies that are coming up in the world are saving and selling components. And on the high side of that as more guilds enter the elemental planes pop components are dropping in price.

[Serenya]

If anyone knows what NTCM is supposed to mean, I'm afraid it's not me.

However, I find your statement that people with unlimited plat won't tradeskill too much of a blanket statement. Maybe if I knew what NTCM means I would know the argument behind your assertion. It remains mysterious to me thus far.

New Tannam Crafting Mastery.

It's not the twinks who will be tradeskilling, it's the mains. And then you can assume they either already do or won't be picking it up, unless they decide to pursue the shawl quest. The PotC can be bought for less then it costs to gain the needed skills these days.....

[kiztent]

If anyone knows what NTCM is supposed to mean, I'm afraid it's not me.

However, I find your statement that people with unlimited plat won't tradeskill too much of a blanket statement. Maybe if I knew what NTCM means I would know the argument behind your assertion. It remains mysterious to me thus far.

New Tannam Crafting Mastery.

New Tanaan Crafting Mastry lets you buy the ability to advance a skill over 200 for 3 AA. People who have unlimited plat also have the AA to invest in getting all their tradeskills over 200.

It's unlikely, given the RvR (that's risk versus reward - which I'm using as a key for the return on time invested, since there's no risk as such associated with the shawl) that people will tradeskill a twink to the point they can get the 8th shawl.

Thus, I don't expect to see a flock of tradeskilling twinks, specifically frogs.

[Trakeen]

Prices going down?

I've seen just the opposite on Annoying Ro, but only on items used for making Blessed fishing rods.

Prices for a Branch of Planar Oak have jumped from 150 to 350 in the last few weeks, and Dragon eggs went from 50 to 75 and now Dragon Egg oil is up to 175 to 200pp... That's the only thing I really use to make money, but I'm shocked at how much the price has jumped up. Selling for 1100pp just doesn't seem possible anymore with these prices.

[Reflan]

Ah, new tanaan crafting. Ok. I've already bought a level of that myself.

I don't think all the twinks will necessarily be getting all their skills to 8th shawl level. But that doesn't mean we won't see something I think is very likely.

Someone said that when checking the froggies out the other day, he saw 3 shamans for every melee. If you read the shaman boards, people have been saying forever they wanted to have a froggy shaman, even people who already have level 65 shamans with epics and tons of AA. Old, new, everyone seems to want a froggy shaman.

Even if only very few of them take up alchemy, what is the most common potion and the most bought one? SOW potions. It's a low level potion. I would NOT want to be in the SOW potion market now.

It's not at all that every single frog has to take every single trade to the very highest level. That's putting way too many qualifiers on things. All you need is one person to disrupt a market. Yet how many new frogs do we have now?

I think it would be unrealistic in the extreme to think that none of these guys will either tradeskill or powerlevel their tradeskills by spending massive amounts of plat on it to get through it as soon as possible.

I know a fellow who makes 75k a DAY. If he wants any tradeskill, he can afford it, no problem, and fast. Sure, that kind of income level is unusual, but being rich isn't too unusual.

Besides, how many people put different tradeskills on different characters? I think that's at least as common as people spending AA on new tanaan so they can get every tradeskill on the same toon. Ask around and you'll find a great many people who have level 1 mules that are masters of one skill or another.

Anyway, we were originally talking about prices going up or going down, right?

I find prices plunging on my server, quite clearly since froggies started. Considering the timing, is it pure coincidence? I think it's fair to make a connection. Blanket assumptions such as "twinks don't tradeskill" I find are trying to fit reality into a set of rules that don't always apply rather than looking around and seeing how reality actually works.

[kiztent]

I find prices plunging on my server, quite clearly since froggies started. Considering the timing, is it pure coincidence? I think it's fair to make a connection. Blanket assumptions such as "twinks don't tradeskill" I find are trying to fit reality into a set of rules that don't always apply rather than looking around and seeing how reality actually works.

What prices? Raw materials? Twink gear? Finished products?

I saw the blanket assertion that tradeskilling frogs will change the market. I don't agree with it. People, not toons, tradeskill. People who already tradeskill will make frogs that tradeskill, which will not increase the net number of people buying raw materials. People who don't tradeskill will not start tradeskilling just because they made a frog.

[Aenadil]

This is a little "after the fact", but the main reason was, indeed, all the people playing Froglok alts or exploring the new zones. On the day of the patch, I logged my trader in shortly after server-up, and noticed within an hour I had sold almost all of my acrylia reinforced armor (almost 2 sets). So I ran around the bazaar buying up the materials to make more (not to mention spamming like crazy in my server auction channel), and a strange thing happened. I would put 3 pieces of acrylia reinforced on my trader, run around for more components, and when I was ready to put the rest of the suit on my trader, the first 3 pieces had sold!

In the span of 2 nights, I sold over 10 sets of acrylia reinforced armor (making only 8 pieces out of the set).

As for profits, they were marginal per piece; however a full set was roughly 1k profit, making it a VERY nice trade period. I never jacked up my prices which helped ensure a high turnaround rate, and my tailoring skill skyrocketed. I went from 227 to 242 in no time.

[honeygram]

Just my 2cp, the night LoY went live, I decided to put my main up in the bazaar in another desperate attempt to get rid of all that low-mid end twink gear I had replaced.

I was AMAZED at the rate that my goods were sold. Makes sense, but I didn't even think about that possibility when I went into trader mode that day.

[Liwsa]

The first few days of LoY I must have sold 20 sets of crustacean I had on my bazaar mules. When farming Othmir for furs to tailor, you can really stockpile that stuff. It would sell slowly a piece here, a piece there but in those days the only things I could keep in stock were gloves everything else sold and sold quickly.

[Modred]

bazaar crashing

I know that I have had so much trouble staying connected in the bazaar, I couldn't sell at all. I finally turned my bad word filter off and haven't had the problem now.