50+ research on test

[furioso]

I believe all class get quest spells at some point.

There are no bard quest songs. No researched songs either. (Bards are INT hybrids.) Not that I'm complaining...

[drael]

As a pally and cleric, i would love to earn my spells. Not by research per se - but by doable quests. Ones a soloist can do. /em is tired of being forced to group.
If they switched all spells to no drop, they could leave the option to buy them in, but only if you wait X number of levels after you can cast it.

[kiztent]

ROFLMAO. Cry my a river. Try not being able to get class-defining spells from level 16 to level 49. Every single WIS caster and hybrid spell from those levels can be bought on a vendor. You have absolutely no sympathy from me.

Does your later comment of every class having quest spells overwrite this? If not, point me to the canni 2 vendor.

[Verdandi]

New research words have been dropping at the enforcers in Plane of Justice. After about two hours when the loot was split I walked away with 5 or so different new words. The only specific name I remember is Words of Tenure. They have a different icon than the old world words, a diagonal, rolled-up scroll, same as some quest documents like the orc cantrip, I think. I'd seen our master looter getting some words but didn't even think about it until she went afk and I saw this research-sounding drop with a different graphic in the mob's loot. Did a triple-take then hehe. Vendors only offered me a few plat each, though, and with there being five different ones I wasn't about to mess with putting em for sale in the Bazaar. It's just more junk loot for anyone who doesn't actually need the spells. If it's any consolation, I don't think you researchers need to fret about being gouged for these.

[Marteeny]

Well, research skill is really the purview of the INT based classes, but I agree WIS casters should also get an alternate avenue to acquire the 1-60 spells (if Sunstrike or GSS or EER are researchable, then equally rare spells like Malo or Torpor, to name a couple, should also, in some way)…

They could always add a “prayer” skill for WIS casters:

Instead of a tome, you get a portable altar. (or even make it a fixed container in the guilds/temples) Inside the altar you have to combine certain ingredients (ex: incense, herbs, blood, animal parts) and if your ‘prayer” (sacrifice?) is acceptable, your God gives you a scroll.

If you had any idea what a pain spell research can be, you would not be so eager to have it added. Cub is totally right. Spell research is not a fun little enhancement that us Int casters use to entertain ourselves when we are bored. Having between 2-4 spells for each spell set (every 5 levels) only being available by finding the right components, and hoping that you don't fail for the 5th time, can be a major pain.

I would understand Wis casters being upset If we could research spells like "Kei", but i'm sure that won't happen. It just became a little easier for us classes that have had to research our spells. Quit complaining that it is not fair when you have not had to go through what we have in order to get all of your spells. Should Int casters start complaining that we shouldn't have to research spells at all?

[Maevenniia]

If you had any idea what a pain spell research can be, you would not be so eager to have it added.

/em lightly taps Marteeny with a clue-by-four.

Me = Wizard = INT caster


And as a tradeskiller I LIKE the research skill (DESPITE the difficulty in finding certain runes, from time to time.)

To each his or her own, however.

[EnragedFilia]

as for that which you're "sure won't happen"

recipes are confirmed (on the graffe boards) in the test books for the wiz spells sunstrike, garrison's superior sundering, and elnerick's electrical rending. those who are familiar with wizard spells can tell you these three are the most expensive, rarest and hardest to find level 60 wizard spells.

in addition, i believe someone on test said in the enchanter channel the other day that kei is also a recipe, and as it is about as rare as the three above, and only more expensive because of its utility, i do not doubt this.

[Farrenn]

Im not sure I like this research idea. Remember when Kunark went to dropped spells and forgot the idea of research? This was for a reason. Research blows. By the time you have found your research components. You could have farmed the cash and bought the spell much easier.

I think the drop rate on the research components will not be as good as peeps are speculating. This will be a good route for the casual gamer, but I think the peeps that have had to buy the spells in their past paying insane prices for them will be offended not to mention the other classes that will still have to pay insane prices for their spells (even though they didn't choose a class that CAN research ie their problem) providing soe doesn't put in a viable option like this for them. I dunno I just don't see SOE making this an Easy option. They make it too easy it will piss off a bunch of people.

As for my opinion.....I think they should leave it alone. I personally like the idea of uber rare spells.....makes one earn their keep. But remember that is my opinion....your welcome to disagree...flame .....whatever....just sayin

[Kaysha Soulsinger]

They could always add a “prayer” skill for WIS casters:

Instead of a tome, you get a portable altar. (or even make it a fixed container in the guilds/temples) Inside the altar you have to combine certain ingredients (ex: incense, herbs, blood, animal parts) and if your ‘prayer” (sacrifice?) is acceptable, your God gives you a scroll.

You know, I like this. Great way to obtain hard-to-get spells

I also dislike this. Since I'm an avid Tradeskiller (ok, until Feb 24th, that is).

[Mellen]

Im not sure I like this research idea. Remember when Kunark went to dropped spells and forgot the idea of research? This was for a reason. Research blows. By the time you have found your research components. You could have farmed the cash and bought the spell much easier.

I personally like the idea of uber rare spells.....makes one earn their keep

Just picking out your quotes b/c they were right there... the problem with the old system is that there are a number of spells that only dropped off of one mob (ie: GSS from THO I think it was) which greatly inhibited their usefullness and made them completely off limit for the large portion of the players who were not in a guild capable of doing those few mobs that droped those spells or b/c they were placed in really out of the way places that normally wouldn't get touched as much (think that's the case for the disease lifetap someone mentioned above and of course the grp dmf).

Another thing were the class defining spells that were incredibly rare like sunstrike for wizzies. I can't think of any other int caster ones off hand but if they provided some alternate method I think shammies could benefit a lot from this if they had a better method of getting malo and torpor for themselves.

I think this should be a good addition ... kinda crumby when a big part of your class isn't available to you at all b/c you might not be able to horde up huge amounts of plat or be a part of a larger guild.

[Maevenniia]

Look, adding research-ability to these spells doesn’t mean that they are being handed to us on the proverbial silver platter. The trivial for lev 49 wizard research spells is 184, so the trivials for the 50-60 spells will get progressively higher, obviously. Plus the components will probably not be ‘common’ drops, especially the ones for EER and GSS.

So even if you do get the runes, you still can fail on your combines (or the RNG could be merciful.) If SOE wants to, they could even use their new ability to restrict combines by skill level (or character level?) for these spells (ex: can’t attempt level 60 research before level 59 or skill level 190.)

Also, the research spells may be NO DROP. (That would suck – one of the things I found fun about research was being able to create spells for the ‘younger’ wizards…handing the Ice Comet scroll to a level 48-49 wizard who needed it gave me the warm fuzzies )

Besides, if they are smart spells will still drop (in SPELL LOOT tables) off the mobs, and research will just be an alternate means of getting your spells. Thus those that don’t want to ‘waste’ their time on research won’t have to.