How profitable are brewing and baking?

[jorigeo]

Just wondering, any of you out there that keep a bazaar trader stocked with all the popular brewed and baked foods 24/7 (Misty Thicket Picnics, Grobb Liquidised Meat, Halas Meat Pies, Qeynos Afternoon Tea, etc), about how much money do you make on a daily basis? Couple hundred plat? Couple k? Somewhere in between? Also say how much you spend combining these items on a daily basis.

Just want to know if it would be worth my time to do combines of these items on a daily basis. Thanks.

You spend lots, you make little.

It is entirely a money sink.

MTP's cost 50pp to make, and sell for 8.

GLM costs 20pp to make and sells for 5.

Move along, nothing to see here.


/sarcasm off

It is a whole lot of work, thats no joke. Profit in consumables depends mostly on competition and server. Some days you can sell a few hundred stat food/drinks, each making 5-10pp... for well over 1k profit. Other days, no one will buy from you because someone else has 1000 of what your selling for a lot cheaper.

Just be prepared to spend countless hours at the brew barrel, or the kitchen, before you can make anything at all.

[Phabos]

I don't know anything about MTP or brewing stat drinks at the moment, but as far as Halas Meat Pies, I figure it costs me about 100pp for 20 combines, once I've bought the bear and lion meat, sauce ingredients, and sage. (NOTE: This is a very approximate number. If someone would like to sit down and check all the math, please feel free. Other than that, take my word for it.) This doesn't take into account the farming/vendor mining/trader buying (blah) for the wolf, mammoth, and eggs. Depending on how much free time you have, a couple of hours in EF or LS may not be much or it may be all your session for a day. Anyway, depending on skill, you will probably get at least 15/20 success rate for 4.5 stacks. On Tarew, Pies sell for 4-5pp each (although I did see one today go to 3.5, and I hope he never comes back). One stack will usually pay for or almost pay for the other 3.5, leaving the rest for profit. The first time you sell a backpack full, you will have generally paid for ingredients, utensils (fillet knife, pans, tins, etc) used for skillups and recipes, and, at least in my case, the money I spent skilling up smithing and pottery to a point where I was self sufficient for all my baking needs. I've sold as many as 400+ HMP in a day at 5pp, and some days I don't sell any at 4pp. Usually, I will manage to average 400-500pp each full day I spend in trader mode.

As for time, I lose track of how long I take start to finish. I will spend at least 1-2 days farming if I am out of eggs and/or wolf/mammoth meat. It probably takes me about an hour running back and forth around Shadowhaven buying the ingredients, doing subcombines, and running back to vendors after failures trying to get my numbers as close as possible to each other, since space for leftovers is at a premium.

It is a lot of work, and there are a lot of combines. Unless you have something to do or someone to talk to you (thank you serverwide.eqtraders), it can be boring. There is money to made if your server's economy allows it, and I have been able to upgrade my gear pretty well in the Bazaar without having to hunt and deal with the hassle of grouping and rolling for loot.

Is it worth it?

In my opinion, yes.

Sorry for the length, but I hope this helps give some idea of the positives and negatives of just one product.

Phabos
Drunken Paladin of Brell

[Lilirith]

how do MTP cost 50pp per to make and only sale for 8pp per? for 200 combines of MTP it costs me roughly 220pp. I have a success rate just over 50%..so for arguement lets say out of 200 combines I get 400 picnics. That comes out to 5gp and 5 sp per picnic..

[jorigeo]

Methinks you missed the /sarcasm

I thought I would be more specific on a few things.

Very lmited knowledge of Baking:

Fish rolls sell quickly at 8gp each, or 16pp a stack. It does vary from 5gp to 1pp each in bazaar, but on cheap items people will not hesitate too much to pay slightly more.

They are easy to make, and cost about that 8gp each stack. So that is 20x what you paid.

I'm only 171 baking, and haven't made any stat foods, so thats about all I've sold. I did try to sell Patty Melts, a bit more difficult than Fish rolls, but they sold a whole lot slower.


Brewing, here I have a bit more knowledge:

Best bang for my buck, with a whole lot of options out there and being a GM brewer... Heady Kiola, yup thats right, Kiola. It costs about 4-5pp to make a stack once they are trivial. At 4pp each they do sell very well to lazy tailors, meaning 80pp a stack.

GLM I have made a lot of, but it costs 1.5pp each approx after you get a Corking Device that goes for at least 2k. So you spend 30pp each stack or so, and sell for 5-8pp on average. Profit margin is definately not as good, but the stuff looks nice, and friends love you for making it for them. Still a great way to make profit as all the ingredients are vendor sold.

Kaladim Constitutional, great saves... very very expensive to make. I spent over 1k making 190 of them, so I guess that is just over 5pp each, but you must be a GM to even try, and still wont have a 50% success rate. In theory they sell for 20pp on my server... but no one ever bought them in the 2 days I've had them for sale. Might just be bad luck, but I don't plan on making more for a while.

[Lilirith]

yes...yes I did..I missed the sarcasim..I am such a fool... ops:

[Sanna]

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On Tarew, Pies sell for 4-5pp each (although I did see one today go to 3.5, and I hope he never comes back).

That's when you buy them FROM him and then count them as your own to resell them at the price you think necessary. If this were to happen enough, people would begin to realize that undercutting only undercuts their own profits.

( minorsarcasm )
Capitalism at work. Lovely.
( /minorsarcasm )

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I have only made 8p off of selling food to other players. This is because a) check my baking skill, and b) I'm not in it to do such. I make food so that I don't have to carry around iron rations, and I can supply my friends/groupmembers with food on the fly. (On the other hand, I have a spit, mixing bowl, pie tin, muffin tin, and will be making myself a nonstick frying pan and possibly skewer as soon as my smithing gets high enough to make the attempts worthwhile.) Yes, I am aware that, part to whole, I'm sure I could use half my available carryspace JUST carrying around food preparation items. Until I get to baking 46, I WILL have at least 1 and a part of a stack of frosting on me at all times. Never mock Batwing Crunchies, they are a meal.

[Named] Meat - unedible.
Loaf of Bread - edible.
[Named] Meat + Loaf of Bread = [Named] Sandwich. Yum.
(and darnit, I wanted a Frost Giant Sandwich! Just so i could link it in ooc and make people laugh. 'This item is a hearty meal' or something.)


Profit = Patience.
Patience =sometimes= Boredom.
Therefore, Profit =can= Boredom.
I am neither Patient nor hardly ever Bored, therefore I have no Profit. ^_^
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[Cigarskunk]

I'm not doing bad with baking, but I'm at a 235 natural skill right now, so I'm getting a good success to combine ratio.

[Hobbun]

It is a whole lot of work, thats no joke. Profit in consumables depends mostly on competition and server. Some days you can sell a few hundred stat food/drinks, each making 5-10pp... for well over 1k profit. Other days, no one will buy from you because someone else has 1000 of what your selling for a lot cheaper.

Just be prepared to spend countless hours at the brew barrel, or the kitchen, before you can make anything at all.

Delfontes pretty much hit it on the head. Some nights I can sell 10 stacks of MTP's, some nights I sell nothing. More nights I sell none or very few because the MTP market is so flooded on Xev. I think 10pp a picnic is fair. But when you have someone selling a 1000 of them at 8pp... /shrug

Hobbun