Sublime Charms?

[Telorea]

I am still working on my sublime task so cannot check for myself yet, but:

1) Do you get a stack of Sublime/Elegant Charm Paterns when ya make Sublime Pattern Set? (note: there weren't any with the Exalted Patterns)

2) Has anyone tried to make Sublime/Elegant Charms yet?

3) Any idea yet what the stats are with a full set of Elegant?

4) Do the cultural charms in general work on just armour pieces or deity symbol pieces also? (i.e. if ya have Elegant+Sublime Symbols would charm give better stats than with Elegant+Exalted Symbols?)

5) Any other info on the new elegant/sublime charms? Are they worth making or are they totally worthless like all the previous cultural charms?

Thanks.

[KyrosKrane]

1) Yup, you get a set of Elegant Charm Patterns when you make your Sublime patterns.

4) The previous charms did in fact take the level of the aug into account. Having a then-Master level aug in a Grandmaster-level item would give lower stats. I'd assume, though obviously I can't be certain until I test, that these will be the same.

5) Lucy does show some stats for the elegant charms, but I'm not sure how meaningful those are, or how close to reality they would be with a full suit of the armor.

[Telorea]

Okay, an update:

Elegant Charm of Spiritual Endurance:
Attunable, Class: Clr/Sha/Dri, Race: Barb, Charm.
2x Aug Slots: Type 7, Type 9.

Trivial 460, Yield 2, In Kiln.
- Ossified Northman Ore
- Porous Loam
- Exquisite Marrow
- Unfired Elegant Charm x2
- Dweric Powder
- Symbol of Spiritual Unity

With full suit of Elegant Armour + Exalted Symbols = No Stats, Zilch, Guessing is bugged.

Due to apparant bug above, I tried reequiping my old Elaborate Armour + Eminent Symbols, results were (note: when I say only, it includes symbols):

BP Only = AC 7, HP 80, 122 Mana, +6 vs all saves, +7 str/sta/wis/agil, +6 dex/cha
Legs Only = AC 7, HP 80, 122 Mana, +6 vs all saves, +7 str/sta/wis/agil, +3 dex/cha
Sleeves Only = AC 3, HP 40, 61 Mana, +3 vs all saves, +3 str/sta/wis/agil, +1 dex/cha
Helm Only = AC 5, HP 60, 91 Mana, +4 vs all saves, +5 str/sta/wis/agil, +2 dex/cha
Boots Only = AC 5, HP 60, 91 Mana, +4 vs all saves, +5 str/sta/wis/agil, +2 dex/cha
Gloves Only = AC 3, HP 40, 61 Mana, +3 vs all saves, +3 str/sta/wis/agil, +1 dex/cha
Wrist Only = AC 1, HP 20, 30 Mana, +1 vs all saves, +1 str/sta/wis/agil, +0 dex/cha

2x Wrist Only = AC 3, HP 40, 61 Mana, +3 vs all saves, +3 str/sta/wis/agil, +1 dex/cha
BP + Legs Only = AC 15, HP 160, 244 Mana, +12 vs all saves, +14 str/sta/wis/agil, +7 dex/cha

Full Set Elaborate + Eminent Symbols = AC 38, HP 400, 610 Mana, +32 vs all saves, +36 str/sta/wis/agil, +18 dex/cha

Overall, very nice stats - but disappointing that no Mod2's, but perhaps there will be some when wearing Elegant armour when bug is fixed.

[KyrosKrane]

I made the Elegant Charm of Derived Diversity for my human paladin. With seven pieces of elegant armor, each with a sublime aug in it, the charm did not have any stats. I tried swapping one sublime aug for one elaborate aug. Still no stats.

I'm guessing it's bugged.

[Ratblaster]

Any comments from Ngreth or SOE about Elegant charm bugs and whether may be fixed in an upcoming patch?

I've been making sublime/elegant augs for a week now but had totally forgotten about the charm until someone sent me a link today to stats (which may be incorrect), so I was first excited to have a new item to make then dissapointed to learn it is bugged.

I'm hopeful that the final non-bugged stats on the charm for full elegant/sublime (will aug only be affected by Elegant armor or also by level of type-11 augs?) will put it into same neighborhood as stats on Timmy's Oil can (a nice charm for non-looters; but sucks for anyone who loots mobs since the extra plat will tank oil can stats).

[KyrosKrane]

Ngreth is on vacation this week, so it may be a while before we get a reply one way or another. I'll ping him about it next week sometime if he doesn't reply by then.

[Telorea]

I'm hopeful that the final non-bugged stats on the charm for full elegant/sublime (will aug only be affected by Elegant armor or also by level of type-11 augs?) will put it into same neighborhood as stats on Timmy's Oil can.

Strange thing to say, why hope that the stats with elegant will be worse than they *currently* are with elaborate?

The stats on the Elegant Charm with a full suit of Elaborate Armour currently are better than max stats on Tinmyn's Oil Can except for the Mod2's. Plus the charm has 2 aug slots.

As posted above, with a full suit of Elaborate Armour the Priest Elegant Cultural charm has AC 38, HP 400, 610 Mana, +32 vs all saves, +36 str/sta/wis/agil, +18 dex/cha, and 2x Aug Slots. This compares to AC 30, HP 455, Mana 455, some lower saves & stats, and some mod2's for Tinmyn's Oil Can.

It is reasonable to expect that when bug that stops Elegant Armour counting towards cultural charm is fixed, the charm stats for full suit of Elegant have to be better than these elaborate stats. I would like the charm to show some heroic stats or Mod2's with a full suit of Elegant with Sublime Symbols.

[KyrosKrane]

While the logic is correct, my hunch is that the stats themselves are wrong. We're seeing the elegant stats being applied to elaborate armors. In other words, the stats with elegant will be what we're currently seeing with elaborate.

[Telorea]

While the logic is correct, my hunch is that the stats themselves are wrong. We're seeing the elegant stats being applied to elaborate armors. In other words, the stats with elegant will be what we're currently seeing with elaborate.

Aye, you are probably correct - and I would be pretty happy with that since with the two aug slots that would give me something like AC 58, 550+ HP, 750+ Mana which is pretty awesome. I would like some mod2's or heroic stats, but the base stats seem will be good enough that I don't mind none though.

[Ngreth Thergn]

hrm. That does sound buggy.

No ETA on a fix... but I will look into it...

I am betting I totally space cadeted on it and fixed everything for the old armor and did nothing for the new armor...

[Ngreth Thergn]

Okay, an update:

With full suit of Elegant Armour + Exalted Symbols = No Stats, Zilch, Guessing is bugged.

yup. Oops fixed! I had ONE number wrong which made it totally ignore the Elegant Armor, and possibly double count the level 70 armor :/ But it missed the Wednesday patch. It will be in the patch after that.

Merloc and I also added heroic stats and mods to it.

And that oilcan... was mis-itemized it is T3 reward on T2 content. Something is going to be done. I am not sure what, but there will be some sort of adjustment. It could be the content itself is adjusted, or the item is adjusted. Dunno which and it is not my quest or reward, so... I may not be informed as to what is decided and done. Plus it can be a PITA to keep its stats maxed

[Ratblaster]

fixed!

Great news!

Now we just need somone to find a really big bug that will cause next patch date to be moved up

[Unapuma]

Hmmm...

Ok one day after the server gets up, everyone make claim that a banker is up that gives you 10 plats for 10 golds you give to banker. Easy money duping.

/em whistles innocently

[filobeto]

And that oilcan...it can be a PITA to keep its stats maxed

The fact that it is so difficult to keep maxed should be reason enough to leave it alone. Heck, most of the time it's not maxed for me as my group likes to randomally /split......for fun.

[souljahha]

the materials required for various races and classes is really fubar... 1 loam/1marrow/1 fluid for pure melee charm. 1 loam for hybrid charm. Not sure i understand the reasoning behind this.