Eminent/Elborate Drops: Disparity, Rarity and Hilarity

[Leonis]

Buyer side pricing on the Soluble Loam is something like 4 TIMES the price of any other "GM level" item on Povar.

Seller side is even worse.


Loam drop rates seem to be virtually non-existant, even when I've made a point of specifically LOOKING for "golem" model critters to kill for them, they just don't DROP. The ONLY loam I have seen drop to date was from an Icefall Mammoth - and those SHOULD be dropping hides and marrows but don't seem to like to drop much of anything.


Silk? Spinnerettes? Drop like water from all sorts of stuff, not just humanoids but the humanoids drop TONS of the stuff. I'd say that the "correction for the old coarse silk too low drop rate" issue went way overboard the other way.

[Fonceur]

I'd say that the "correction for the old coarse silk too low drop rate" issue went way overboard the other way.

Well, it's not like it took 2 years to officially acknowledge the problem, 9 months to actually implement a fix, and that within 45 minutes of posting the planned drop rate ratios people had already poked holes in the logic, er, never mind...

[Gerg]

tungsten and cobalt ore selling for 2k-3k each on stromm! >< so i'll be farming my own =P

[gildana]

I still protest the double (in theory) rate for tailoring vs. smithing drops. In practice, from my observation from being guild looter and recipient of most trade drops from group stuff, (I asked to coordinate it.) it's more like 1/3.

Cobalt Ore: 156
Superb Silk: 234
Superb Pelt: 93

But the even more overlooked fact in evidence, is that these are a LOT more common than the lesser tiers due to the large majority of the population being 75 and xp'ing in those zones.

So the highest end stuff is actually the most common.

[Danedori]

But the templates really are more of a skillup path than an actual recipe. The cultural armor is much more limited by the marrow/loam/fluid. And at the lower tiers, there are already very viable skillup paths that are just as good or better than cultural templates. There is enough of the lower tier marrow/loam/fluid to supply the demand, and that's all you really need.

Danedori

[gildana]

263/265 smithing trying to find Rhenium/Tungsten.
253/255 tailoring trying to find Fine / Excellent Pelts (or Silk when fixed)

That's specifically what I was commenting on. And, why I was suggesting a greater to lower conversion.

It's a minor gripe I'll get through, I may wind up just using the Cobalt/Superb stuffs and have a higher cost and slightly higher failure rate (higher trivials)just due to the availability of the raw materials.

[Tattedsoul_Zek]

Maybe I missed something, but a lot of people seem to be assuming that when SoF comes out, the current Elaborate/Eminent gear is going to be upgraded from what it is now (65/69) to the best thing for the next expansion (whatever that may be).

To me, this doesn't make sense. What makes more sense would be the following:

New, higher level (80+) template/cultural drops.
New recipes with higher difficulties.
A new higher level symbol book quest.

Or maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I guess we'll see.

I am hoping that there will just be new drops added and new recipes to scribe. And not have to do another symbol quest. The first one took enough time lol. Having just finished it, I really don't want to do another Useing the current symbol patterns with new drops will suffice just the same.

[Wyvernwill]

You'll have to do 2 new Symbol quests, actually.

One for the lvl 75 symbols, another for the lvl 80 symbols.

[Xislaben]

263/265 smithing trying to find Rhenium/Tungsten.
253/255 tailoring trying to find Fine / Excellent Pelts (or Silk when fixed)

That's specifically what I was commenting on. And, why I was suggesting a greater to lower conversion.

It's a minor gripe I'll get through, I may wind up just using the Cobalt/Superb stuffs and have a higher cost and slightly higher failure rate (higher trivials)just due to the availability of the raw materials.

I'm in the exact same boat, probably going to have to use the much higher triv combines to skill due to availability.

[Tattedsoul_Zek]

You'll have to do 2 new Symbol quests, actually.

One for the lvl 75 symbols, another for the lvl 80 symbols.

Probably, since the current stuff is what 65/69. The new ones will most likely be 70/74 and 75/79.

[Dutchy]

Theres only going to be 1 new line of cultural armor/symbols, not 2.

From the Upcoming cultural changes sticky:

Level Armor Symbol
20 Simple Blessed
40 Ornate Revered
60 Intricate Sacred
70 Elaborate Eminent
80 Elegant Sublime

Old versions are 15/20, 35/40, 55/60, 65/69. So I'll expect the elegant/sublime versions to skip the levels 70-75... and be 75/79 or 75/80.

[Elyssanda]

Theres only going to be 1 new line of cultural armor/symbols, not 2.

ALmost right... read around.. somewhere in the forums Ngreth has mentioned more than once that there will be 1 new armor, and 2 new symbol levels.. one for 75 & one for 80. -If my right eye would stop throbbing I'd find it and link for you.

[Roanne]

I couldnt find any mention of it on this sight but on the EQlive forums:

Well, I am not going to give exact details...

There is not a cultural ARMOR set at 75, there is a set of symbols though at 75 (Exahlted).

There is a level 80 armor (Elegant) and a level 80 symbol (Sublime)

You are correct in the general tiers.

The level 80 armor with level 80 symbol has stats similar to SoF T3 armor, though it is of course more generic since it will not have the class specific stuff the SoF T3 armor is likely to have. So while the stats on the cultural level 80 armor and level 80 symbol may be very slightly better, it will not have the special focus and such that will be on SoF T3 Group.

The 12 group augment will bring the cultural level 80 with level 80 symbol to SoF T4 group stats. I do not know all the details on this yet as it is till a work in progress.

The Slot 12 Raid augments come in a TSS, TBS, and SoF version. The SoF version is tuned to bring the Level 80 cultural armor plus level 80 symbol to the SoF T3 Raid level. This brings into play the normal Foci that comes with the Slot 12 Raid Augments. The TSS and TBS slot 12 raid augments. are upgrades to the 70 armor and get approximately to the raid levels for that expansion.

The 11's are the standard deity symbols, not customizable.

[Dutchy]

oops my bad =) I don't keep track of the eqlive forums, thanks for the info.