TBS Armor VS PoP Armor!

[Aaira]

I have been avidly working on the tbs armors as a skill up path, i also sell it in the bazaar (for twinks mostly), in order to help fund said tradeskills.

Lets look at the best TBS Player-made Robe and Compare it to the best PoP Player-made Robe from several expansions ago:

Spun Energeiac Cloth Robe
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM ATTUNEABLE INFUSIBLE
Slot: CHEST
Purity: 40
AC: 20
Focus Effect: Mana Preservation IV
STR: +5 DEX: +5 STA: +5 CHA: +5 WIS: +5 INT: +5
AGI: +5 HP: +80 MANA: +80 Endurance: +80
SV FIRE: +4 SV DISEASE: +4 SV COLD: +4 SV MAGIC: +4
SV POISON: +4
Recommended level of 60
Required level of 55

Robe of Ancient Earth
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: CHEST
AC: 25
STR: +12 DEX: +10 STA: +8 INT: +8 HP: +120 MANA: +50
SV DISEASE: +15 SV POISON: +15
Recommended level of 63
Required level of 46

Lets Compare the Differences:
Spun Robe:
LORE
ac:20
stats:35
resists:20
hps: 80
mana:80
req lvl: 55
focus: mana pres 4

Earth Robe:
NOT LORE
ac: 25
stats: 38
resists: 30
hps: 120
mana:50
req lvl: 46
focus: none

So, Earth robe is NOT LORE - has 5 more ac, +3 in stat increases, +10 more resists, +40 more hps, 30 less mana, req lvl is 9 lvls lower, no focus and is several expansions old.

While the focus effect does help to make the Spun Robe more attractive It seems the newest expansion should be offering the best player made items available, when you add to the fact the armors are LORE thus making them a pain to try and skill up on anything besides the wrists, or trying to keep a few in stock to sell. It only adds to the frustration of using this as a means to get people excited about new expansion player-made items and causes tradeskillers not to be as fruitful as they could be with just a few minor tweaks.

My suggestion:
Tweak the stats a bit, more hps / ac on plate / chain. better resists overall.
take away the decreases of ac from the growth orbs. its darn near impossible to even give them away after letting people know they take away AC.
(dont even get me started on the decay orb!!) hehe

And PLEASE drop the LORE tag. its annoying and seems so needless

PS: I dont claim to be an expert in any way and would love to hear some feedback on what others with more knowledge of player-made items think.

Thanks in advance!

[Sunshadow]

This game is all about choice. If you prefer the Earth robe then wear it. If not then wear the TBS one. The TBS one will improve further with an orb but again it is up to the player if they want to go that direction.

[Aaira]

I understand armor choices and choosing which a person prefers. I dont think that is the flavor of my post at all. I'm merely pointing out that the nicest player made items from TBS arent as good as the player made items from PoP.
But with just a bit of tweaking they could be. And it seems the newest expansion should offer better items for tradeskillers to make. not only to skill up but to sell in the bazaar as well. or at least it would be good if we could.

course i dont claim to understand the reasons why the TBS player made armors arent as nice as the PoP ones. maybe there is a valid reason that im just overlooking, which is why i posted here and / or to see if it needs tweaked to make it more valuable for the market.

I dont wear either robe. im in full raid gear. but just as a tradeskiller and seller.

[Queletan]

I agree with the lore thing.. it makes no sense to me, although it makes sense to someone somewhere so I suppose thats something we have to deal with.

As far as the differences in stats between TBS and PoP, I think its really an issue of rarity. Since PoP has come out, I'd guess I've made at most 30 pieces of Elemental armor from what I could beg, borrow, steal or buy. Since TBS has come out I've made nearly 100 pieces of Energeaic, and I have enough for another 90 or so in my bank at the moment.

My magician wears a full suit of the new armor, and I love it with the growth orb... he gets 120 hps out of all 8 slots (I don't use the shield or rod cause of mana regen stuff).

I'd say they didn't want anything spectacular because they wanted us to do quests for funny money and faction to buy the good stuff, and that the choice was between giving us above average items but a weak addition to the skillup path, or giving us ok items and a good addition to the skillup path.

Q

[Wyvernwill]

The key this is that the armor is infusable. The fact that it is... makes it handidly better than the PoP elemental stuff. Besides, if you are going to make a fair comparison, use one of the two robes with balanced Hps/Mana. Both the Earth and Fire Robes were weighted to the sides to add a better bonus to those that wanted a bigger bonus at the sacrifice of another (once again highlights the choice aspect).

The TBS armor is considerably better than Master's level cultural and considerably easier to farm (except for some classes).

[Bobaten]

Comparing the energeian stats without including a powersource is like comparing the item stats for DoN cultural armor without including the diety augments.

[Gaell Stormracer]

The power sources available for use on the level 60 and below armours are far from impressive....

I do understand (sort of) the logic of the LORE -- it means that the player market won't get swamped with stuff that's been created for skilling up -- except bracers, naturally

Also, the ease of obtaining Sunshard Ore vs all the components for the Earth robe are like day and night....

[Aldier]

This is not the first time this has happened.

PoP for some reason set a sort of benchmark for tradeskill crafted items.

Outside of DoN cultural armor, the PoP items are still some of the best that can be made.

Baking... Bristlebane challenge only 1 item better than PoP foods came in PoR.
Brewing...Juice of Quellious ..similar to baking
Fletching.. PoR introduced new bows of which some are better but PoP bows are still quality crafted bows.

This is just off the top of my head. I think that PoP was ahead of its time for tradeskill/crafted items and we are just now getting to the point where the developers feel comfortable giving those level of stats on items that are more common. In PoP they restricted the items by making them somewhat uncommon drops off mobs in keyed zones. It has made it so that now it is even harder to sometimes find those supplies.

[Hhrolf]

Is anyone else experiencing really bad streaks on the TBS items between skill ups?
I do understand about bad streaks on the RNG ( I have 6 skills at 300 and need just 7 points between them to finish tailoring and fletching too ) and my initial thought was that I was just having bad luck but as I do more and more combines its very consistent.
I have now done 1500 or so combines on tailoring with the Fitted Energaic Leather armours and have moved from 282 to just 295. That is about three times worse than the average results according to the calculators on this site.
The DoN cultural items have a + modifier to skill ups, and I am starting to wonder if these items have a negative modifier added to them to counter the relative ease of finding the products to combine.
Anybody else thats been making these items had the same issues or am I just seeing a really bad run over several weeks?

[Abazagaroth]

This is not the first time this has happened.

PoP for some reason set a sort of benchmark for tradeskill crafted items.

Outside of DoN cultural armor, the PoP items are still some of the best that can be made.

Baking... Bristlebane challenge only 1 item better than PoP foods came in PoR.
Brewing...Juice of Quellious ..similar to baking
Fletching.. PoR introduced new bows of which some are better but PoP bows are still quality crafted bows.

This is just off the top of my head. I think that PoP was ahead of its time for tradeskill/crafted items and we are just now getting to the point where the developers feel comfortable giving those level of stats on items that are more common. In PoP they restricted the items by making them somewhat uncommon drops off mobs in keyed zones. It has made it so that now it is even harder to sometimes find those supplies.

Juice of Quellious is a PoR recipe, not a PoP recipe.

[Aldier]

Juice of Quellious is a PoR recipe, not a PoP recipe.

Exactly... my point is that until Juice of Quellious came out in PoR... the best drink was from PoP.

[Gaell Stormracer]

Not really, the Taelosian Teas from GoD were the best prior to JoQ. (I'm trying hard to remember what the best drink from PoP was...)

[Wyvernwill]

Qeynos Afternoon Tea. That or Grobb Liquidized Meat, both were quite popular.

[Aldier]

Best PoP drink I was referring to was/is the Kaladim Constitutional.

I guess it also depends on what stat you are considering to be a "good" drink.

If you are looking for mana, then yes the GoD teas were better.

[Bobaten]

Kaladim Constitutional wasn't PoP, it was Luclin. Twice Brewed Constitutional is PoP, though it wasn't really anything different.
The big advantage for KC was always duration, there were plenty of "better" drinks in subsequent expansions like Miner's Mud in DoN, but they were all short duration.