Trophy Not Evolving Properly

[Baldary]

My researcher bot just dinged 300 skill. Woot!

However, at the time he hit 300, his trophy was only 33% evolved towards level 5 even though he has had it since around skill level 210 or so. I figured it was no big deal and that I would just have to do a few non trivial combines and it would catch up quickly. The problem is that it is only increasing 1% per successful combine so it appears that it will take me another 60 or so combines to get it to level 6. Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

Baldary



(FYI, my main is 2100 and has 4 of his 7 trophies at level 7, so I am not some newb that does no know how it is supposed to work.)

[Ngreth Thergn]

your 33% is a bad deal. Unfortunately the 1% is about correct at 11X the exp you would be getting

Before it would have been 20 or so combines per 1%... so 1% per combine *is* a speed up.

[Baldary]

your 33% is a bad deal. Unfortunately the 1% is about correct at 11X the exp you would be getting

Before it would have been 20 or so combines per 1%... so 1% per combine *is* a speed up.

Whatever happened to the idea that trophies would level up quickly to catch up once you reached a new plateau? It certainly worked that way with my other trophies. I know that, at 300 skill, it will take quite awhile to get from a level 6 trophy to a level 7. But I just don't understand having to do 60 or so combines to get from a level 5 trophy to level 6 AFTER I have reached 300.

I guess I need to destroy my trophy and make a new one that will automatically be level 6. It is really messed up if I need to do that.

Baldary

[Unapuma]

1% per sucessful combine is fast. If the trophy is not ahead of your base skill, you would be getting 1% per 10 or 11 combines, which is normal speed.

Or you could simply destroy the old trophy and redo the quest to get a new one that's more caught up with your skill. Can get expensive or time consuming to get level 6 trophy for your 300 skill.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Whatever happened to the idea that trophies would level up quickly to catch up once you reached a new plateau? It certainly worked that way with my other trophies. I know that, at 300 skill, it will take quite awhile to get from a level 6 trophy to a level 7. But I just don't understand having to do 60 or so combines to get from a level 5 trophy to level 6 AFTER I have reached 300.

I guess I need to destroy my trophy and make a new one that will automatically be level 6. It is really messed up if I need to do that.

Baldary

It *IS* faster. Read what I said. You would normally expect about 20 combines per 1%... you are getting 1% per combine... that is faster. It is actually 11X faster, but some rounding is showing you 1% per combine, in a few places you will likely see 2 combines per 1% as the round goes the other way. Now maybe it is in your opinion "not fast enough" but nonetheless it is faster. It is just that there is a huge amount of exp that it needs to get and even 11X faster seems slow. You had some extraordinary bad combine luck (or a high skill when you got the trophy) in order for it to be at 33%.

[Baldary]

It *IS* faster. Read what I said. You would normally expect about 20 combines per 1%... you are getting 1% per combine... that is faster. It is actually 11X faster, but some rounding is showing you 1% per combine, in a few places you will likely see 2 combines per 1% as the round goes the other way. Now maybe it is in your opinion "not fast enough" but nonetheless it is faster. It is just that there is a huge amount of exp that it needs to get and even 11X faster seems slow. You had some extraordinary bad combine luck (or a high skill when you got the trophy) in order for it to be at 33%.

I got my trophy when my skill was in the mid 220s. When I hit 250, my trophy caught up quickly with between 5% and 10% experience per successful combine. I fail to understand why that does not happen when you get to 300. Other trophies catch up fast at 300 as well as lowe level research trophies.

Fortunately, for me, plat is not an issue so I will just destroy my trophy and make a new one. But the people that cannot afford that are getting screwed.

Baldary

[Liwsa]

Cheaper/easier to just do the 60 combines to get to level 6 no? Then to search for the rare pages you need for the spells for the quest.

[Unapuma]

Different tradeskill trophy get skillup at different rate. Also you get slower skillup with storebought stuff vs farmed stuff.

[Bobaten]

Wait, if the expected number of combines to get 1% on the level 5 trophy is 20, then that would be 2000 combines to level the trophy from level 5 to level 6. That does seem high since the calculator shows only ~1200 expected combines to level research from 250 to 300.
Of course my own research trophy made it to master before I hit 300, despite the fact that I started with a lead of 13 skill points (since I got the trophy when they started at 0% rather than matching skill).

[Ngreth Thergn]

I was guessing... you are probably right and it is about 1200 combines meaning 12 per 1% meaning the 11X = about 1% per combine. I keep thinking about the aver combines per skill-up (which in the 250 to 300 range is around 40 per skill-up on average... less at the 250 side more at the 299 side... again I am not doing the actual math just winging it from my head... I think around 277 (or is that 287... bah!) it is 40 combines per skill-up average.)

The reason it is so slow at 300 is because of the 1200 or so combine requirement. (from 250 to 300... the range you are trying to catch up) It was much smaller at the previous level for the trophy, meaning the multiplier made more of a visible difference.

[Unapuma]

When I got my brewing to 250, my trophy was a bit behind and was doing around 5% skillup per combine until it got to level 5. If the brewing is the same as baking, I'd need about 1050 sucessful combines to reach level 6 if I don't ding 300 first.

[Foleen]

Something goofy is going on, and I have no idea what. I've been a tradeskiller (off and on) since pre-Kunark.

When these trophies first came out, I was all over 'em. The first several I worked up exactly matched my progress. I hit 250 skill, they popped up to expert on that skill point.

The last two have not followed this trend. My tinkerbot trophy got Expert in the low 240's while my Researcher is at only 74% toward Expert with an unmodified skill of 250. Was this changed? If so, I missed it.

Foleen Defraidy
300 Smith, Brewer, Jeweler, Baker, and Potter. 224 Tailor, 267 Fletcher
Villiage Iddiot, 250 research
Pelius, 270 tinker
(maybe some day I'm start a shaman and go for alchemy, too)

[Gorse]

Something goofy is going on, and I have no idea what. I've been a tradeskiller (off and on) since pre-Kunark.

When these trophies first came out, I was all over 'em. The first several I worked up exactly matched my progress. I hit 250 skill, they popped up to expert on that skill point.

The last two have not followed this trend. My tinkerbot trophy got Expert in the low 240's while my Researcher is at only 74% toward Expert with an unmodified skill of 250. Was this changed? If so, I missed it.

Foleen Defraidy
300 Smith, Brewer, Jeweler, Baker, and Potter. 224 Tailor, 267 Fletcher
Villiage Iddiot, 250 research
Pelius, 270 tinker
(maybe some day I'm start a shaman and go for alchemy, too)

Nothing has changed, they still evolve the same. More than likely the previous trophies had already evolved prior to you reaching 250, in which case they would wait at 0% in level 5 until you dinged 250 skill.

There is also the off chance that the random number generator hit exactly right on both trophies such that you ding the final combine which produced your final skill up and eveolved the trophy, which in theory is possible (no comment on how unlikely for once, let alone multiple times).


Gorse

[Aldier]

Nothing has changed, they still evolve the same. More than likely the previous trophies had already evolved prior to you reaching 250, in which case they would wait at 0% in level 5 until you dinged 250 skill.

This is not true. At 250 skill, you can have a level 6 trophy. It would not stop at level 5 and wait for you. The trophy can get 1 level above the plateau you are at (read how you can get 7 with only 300 skill).

The reason they dinged on the exact combine is just either average skill up rates or lucky skill up points to even out. It is not a requirement that when you hit a new level that the trophy automatically jump to that level with you. If it is behind, it will speed up as per discussion earlier in this thread. If it is ahead, then it will keep going and you may catch it.

Another thing that can make it lag behind is if you are doing a lot of combines that have skill up bonuses. These can cause you to outpace your trophy some.

[Wyvernwill]

Something goofy is going on, and I have no idea what. I've been a tradeskiller (off and on) since pre-Kunark.

When these trophies first came out, I was all over 'em. The first several I worked up exactly matched my progress. I hit 250 skill, they popped up to expert on that skill point.

The last two have not followed this trend. My tinkerbot trophy got Expert in the low 240's while my Researcher is at only 74% toward Expert with an unmodified skill of 250. Was this changed? If so, I missed it.

Research is tricky. Due to the fast rate (overall) that research gains skill, you don't end up doing as many combines (as you would for fletching). You get the same skill gains at a faster rate which means less successful combines and less overall exp gained.

(If it's any consolation, my research trophy hit 50% just as I dinged 300 research.)

But, I prefer to just think your broken.