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**Thicket Tundrabog** · 01-21-2003, 08:11 PM

Both EQTraders and Allakhazam's are excellent sites. This site is preferred by most tradeskillers, but that doesn't mean that all information is correct. Most of the trivial data comes from players and we do make mistakes. If you have a correction, players visiting this site appreciate new information you might wish to post. Occasionally, trivials change in the game. Again, updated information is appreciated.

Your skillup question is confusing. If you combine something that is trivial, you will never get a skillup. However if you combine something trivial, your failure rate should be about 5%.

Your tradeskill levels are still quite low, so you should get frequent skillups, as long as you are making something non-trivial.

Thicket

**merkell** · 01-21-2003, 08:28 PM

Thanks for the info.
yes the things I was making were trivial.
Example sharpen weapon (dager) and others.
as I said about a 90% fail rate the last few times.
I was getting discusted.
Also spent a fortune on pottery and only reached 12 using the guide on this site.
Are all skills this rough?
My fishing kicks ass though.

**Pojodan** · 01-21-2003, 09:19 PM

Spent a fortune on pottery and only got it to 12?

Uhm... is 'fortune' to you 10pp or 1000pp?

I just recently took pottery to 122 for about 40pp total and a few hundred more for 148.
Pottery is definately the cheapest/easiest skill to master. You have to drop/destroy everything you make that isn't bazaar sellable, but clay and patterns are cheepo in compairison to other trades.

Also, what is your WIS/INT/STR/DEX?
If you're a Troll Warrior still wearing tattered armor then you're much better off waiting till you can aquire some stat boosting items before laying a finger on tradeskills.

**Lilirith** · 01-22-2003, 12:31 AM

my smithing skill is 50. steel boning trivials at 44.. I fail AT LEAST 505 of the time..WHY?!?!?

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01-22-2003, 01:10 AM

Your skillup question is confusing. If you combine something that is trivial, you will never get a skillup. However if you combine something trivial, your failure rate should be about 5%.

This is perhaps the wrongest (is that even a word?) statement I have seen in quite some time.

Someone post the formula, basically low end stuff is definately Not trivial at trivial.

Ask anyone who has gotten to 46 on Kiola's for tailoring, if you stay there you fail approx 20-30% of the time. Get brewing to 80 and you fail 5% or so. Never really gets better than that, hehe.

You have to be at least 20pts over trivial to stop failing very very often on low trivial stuff... If it is cheap, I would reccomend doubling trivial for anything under 50 before trying it if you need a lot of them, or you will go insane on the fails.

Higher stuff is different though, by the time you reach 195 or so, a 200 trivial item will already be close to 5%.

P.S. About those trivial descrepancies, it was probably with smithing, go with the lower number. I wasted a bit of cash once figuring that one out, since May all the smithing trivials were lowered to make the skill harder to master.

**Cigarskunk** · 01-22-2003, 02:49 AM

I have noticed that even on things that I am trivial lately I have a 90% fail rate and no skill ups.
am I doing something wrong?

Trivial means that you get the message that you can't get skill ups from the item along with your success message - if you're failing 90% of these then you're INT/WIS must be through the floor or you've got something that definately ISN'T trivial.

If an item IS trivial then you'll get the message that you can't gain anymore skill from making it - that's why you aren't getting any skill ups from the item.

Also who has a more accurate trivial number?
EQtraders or Allahkazam's
One will have a triv of 27 and the other will have 70.
a big differance for the same item.

The trivials changed for all of the smithed items back in May - Allahkazam most likely didn't change thier numbers - I've been using this site for nearly two years now and I have never gotten bad info from DenMom's part nor have I ever gotten bad advice on going about things from the regulars here.

Also I notice Allahkazam's has more recipies for smithing (since that is only one I compared).
Why is that?

This site has all of the recipes sorted out by the type of items, cultural, quest, etc - that's why it looks like there's less info here - because it's WAY better organised and put together.

This is hands down the ultimate tradeskill site - VI even asks DenMom for advice - you can't get any better a tradeskill expert then that.[/quote]

**merkell** · 01-22-2003, 12:56 PM

Uhm... is 'fortune' to you 10pp or 1000pp?

I was only lvl 25 at the time so Yes 20pp is a fortune.

Pottery is definately the cheapest/easiest skill to master. You have to drop/destroy everything you make that isn't bazaar sellable, but clay and patterns are cheepo in compairison to other trades.

Do you have to stay at kiln or can you run in and sell to merch after each sucsess? Jars are not stackable and i cannot afford to just drop.

Also, what is your WIS/INT/STR/DEX?
If you're a Troll Warrior still wearing tattered armor then you're much better off waiting till you can aquire some stat boosting items before laying a finger on tradeskills.

Standard Wis-83/Int-77/Str-180/Dex-108
But i add to Wis a few points with a weapon.
Human warrior.

This is hands down the ultimate tradeskill site

Thanks now I know which one to use.

Thank you for the many helpfull answers.

Now a couple more questions.
Are there steins or something that raises Int/Wis like the Opal stein for Cha that I can buy?
Can I just do casual (1 or 2 combines a a time on trade skill) or do I have to marathon and do a bunch at a time to start skilling up.
Meaning 100 combines 1 or 2 at a time VS 100 at once for the same amount of skill ups.
Thank you again.

01-22-2003, 01:20 PM

Are there steins or something that raises Int/Wis like the Opal stein for Cha that I can buy?

Not really, you can get a few more int/wis, but not 50 cheap like the Opal ones.

I was only lvl 25 at the time so Yes 20pp is a fortune.

Sorry to have to say this, but you really can't do any tradeskills for profit if 20pp is a lot of money to you.

You can casually increase skills from Mob drops like tailoring... but basically any vendor sold ones will take quite a bit more than that.

With a sub 100 int/wis you are looking at literally hundreds of combines for any skill ups at all... which would just be frustrating as heck.

The only one I would even begin to suggest for you would be smithing, because it is strength based as well, and you do have a decent strength.

Look up a guide or 2 from this site, you should be able to get to 100 or so blacksmithing without spending even a fortune by your standards.

**Krazick** · 01-22-2003, 01:44 PM

Do you have to stay at kiln or can you run in and sell to merch after each sucsess? Jars are not stackable and i cannot afford to just drop.

You don't have to run between wheel, kiln and merchant. If you have enough slots open you can do 2-200 combines before returning to a merchant. But it is tedious.

But really the biggest problem you will find is that the normal "sell-back" price of a fired pottery item is LESS THAN the cost of the Firing Sheet. Consequently, most potters don't bother firing the item unless they have a player that wants the item. And skill to fire an item is MUCH LESS than the skill to spin the item up on the wheel. There is a chance, but rare chance, of a skill up on the firing step. And you can still fail on the firing anyway.

There are some item a merchant will buy unfired. But generally not.

Now a couple more questions.
Are there steins or something that raises Int/Wis like the Opal stein for Cha that I can buy?
Can I just do casual (1 or 2 combines a a time on trade skill) or do I have to marathon and do a bunch at a time to start skilling up.
Meaning 100 combines 1 or 2 at a time VS 100 at once for the same amount of skill ups.
Thank you again.

-- There are a number of items that can be bought to increase INT or WIS (choose the stat you start higher with anyway). But they start "cheap" at 5-10 Plat and go up. Buying a complete Trade Skill suit will take up to 2 backpacks and a couple of thousand plat. Search the bazaar for the CHEAPEST item you can find. And work it up over time.
--You can do casual combines, in fact I am of the firm belief that Verant would prefer ALL tradeskillers do it that way, but expect to take a VERY LONG TIME (on the order of 1-2 Real Life Years) to get up to Grand Master Level. If you get a Tradeskill Suit together, try and do batches of 20 at a time. It is a lot less discouraging to get 2-3 (or 5-6) skill ups in a 20 session combine, than to do 1-2 combines and get one skill up a week.
Scavenge for cheap components.
Talk to people working at a the wheel. Maybe they need some sub-combines done that are trivial for them, but not for you. Offer to do the sub-combines if they provide the materials.

And most important. Don't get discouraged when things get slow.

**merkell** · 01-22-2003, 02:12 PM

Sorry to have to say this, but you really can't do any tradeskills for profit if 20pp is a lot of money to you.

I was not really looking to make profit. Just make things for myself and cause it was a fun aspect of the game.

You can casually increase skills from Mob drops like tailoring... but basically any vendor sold ones will take quite a bit more than that.

That is how I started was with the mob drops(tailoring). Now I got lots of HQ ore.

With a sub 100 int/wis you are looking at literally hundreds of combines for any skill ups at all... which would just be frustrating as heck.

From what I am reading I think you are right. But how come when I started my skills went up fast and now they just stalled and so did success rate?

You don't have to run between wheel, kiln and merchant. If you have enough slots open you can do 2-200 combines before returning to a merchant. But it is tedious.

A finished jar takes up A backpack space.

But really the biggest problem you will find is that the normal "sell-back" price of a fired pottery item is LESS THAN the cost of the Firing Sheet.

Not anymore since the price of firing sheets dropped.
It is a way to recoup some money.
I am seeing trade skills are not for the poor.
Should I just wait till I am in my 50's to start again?
When I started I thought it would be a good way for a lowly warrior to make his armor but now that I just hit 30 I am getting better drops than I can make for quit some time plus starting to get some decent cash flow.

**BuilderOfCastles** · 01-23-2003, 07:45 PM

Don't wait

I suggest finding a recipe that you can hunt for.

I hunted in the Gorge of King Xorbb while all the mudlings where blue to me. Took all that clay and did pottery.

I hunted in Shadeweavers thicket for all the black aliens. They drop shade silk for raw shade silk armor.

I hunted spiders in East Karana while they where blue to me for their spider silk.

For each stage of tradeskilling, I found a mob to kill to get me the stuff. That was fun. Now, I mindlessly farm things because they are all green.

As for which site? EQ Traders is run by tradeskillers for tradeskillers. The information here is the best as is humanly possible. be sure to notice things like greater then '>' and less then signs '<' when looking at trivial for a recipe. Not all trivials are known and are thus reflected

**cattywumpus** · 01-24-2003, 07:26 AM

But really the biggest problem you will find is that the normal "sell-back" price of a fired pottery item is LESS THAN the cost of the Firing Sheet. Consequently, most potters don't bother firing the item unless they have a player that wants the item.

This is a old rumor that still gets booted around a lot. You won't make a profit by skill-up items in pottery but firing sheets prices were lowered considerably a while back and you can now significantly cut your costs by firing the pieces. If money isn't an issue you will save time by not firing but you won't save money.

on another note

The Shak Dratha are a great camp for tradeskillers, not only do they drop the shade silk metioned but they also drop Condensed Shadow (for arrowheads) which will take your smithing over 100 pretty cheap but slowly.

**Stokvorn Warwalker** · 01-24-2003, 07:36 AM

As far as I can tell this is the best site for the triv's on skillup's. It cost about 60pp to master pottery for me though.

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I started with the baking and brewing skills as well as fishing. sold what I could and used the profit to start the other skills. :roll:

got most of the skills that I do into the mid 100's before hitting level 20 :mrgreen:

It was gitting harded to find the supplies after that for me for a short period of time. "But with a little help from my friends"and guildmates it wish not that hard to start getting the different supplies to keep going up.

I did start the tradeskill thing as a way to irriate my RL friends as they had all started playing eq about a year before I did. and I was the first to have a master in all of the tradeskills other then JC. (It's that silly enchant thing, that dwarfs can not seem to do.)

/e spell fizzles
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/e dwarf fizzles /e ouch bad hair day

**Stokvorn Warwalker** · 01-24-2003, 07:48 AM

I have found this stie to be the best at haveing the correct triv�s on the recipes.There seem
to be more pep�s that have put in their 2cp�s worth in getting this right.

As for my it did take me about 60pp to get pottery up to master. But that was in part
because I was firing some of the stuff for my baking skill.

I started the tradeskills with the baking and brewing as they where the easyist to get the
supplies for. rats, bats, and snakes oh my. I also did some fishing as that let my make some
money and the freeish food. I then sold what I could and started the other tradeskills.

I got in the tradeskill game to irrate some of my RL friends, as they had all started playing
eq about a year before I did. I made master into the mid 150�s in all the skills that I do
before the level 20 ding. The only one I have not done is JC as that has that silly enchant
thing going on. and as a dwarf the spell just keeps fizzleing.
/e spell fizzles
/e spell fizzles
/e spell fizzles
/e dwarf fizzles /e ouch bad hair day

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