dead horse topics

[sir0die]

I have seen many posts lately that peoples responses are "this is a dead horse topic".

considering that the main page holds posts for roughly 3 days AND that the people screaming deadhorse have been on this board for well over 3 months. I find this rude and annoying.

1) if i person is asking something relevant to say something around the skill lvl of 180............they haven;t been tradeskilling very long, so to them, it's not a dead horse issue, it's a right now issue to them. To YOU it might be a deadhorse.

2) if you are the ones screaming its a deadhorse issue, either post the link to the deadhorse itself, or shut up. no one wants to hear, "we went over that 6 months ago", if you can't help the person out by answering his/her question, you don't need to make them feel bad for asking it.

now i fully understand comments that i've seen when they ask about something that is already on the FAQ page, but some of this BS people give others is totally unessesary.

the general area has over 5 pages of topics, if you were new to a messageboard, are YOU gonna read every post on all 5 pages before you ask ypur question.

If you get tired of answering the question over and over, then don't. There are others that will gladly answer it.

what might have been a deadhorse 4 months ago, might have new stuff to be said about it due to patches/expansions.

Keep in mind that new people join the board daily as they find interest in tradeskilling. They deserve the courtesy that you got when you asked the same question 2 1/2 years ago.

Preaching to the Choir here Sordie

I think I said something similar on page one of the dead horse thread up there and was largely ignored.

I do admit to being fairly curt when referring people to the website to answer a question that need not be asked though....

I also called the begging question a dead horse, because I thought the poster had been around long enough to see a few of the strings about it...

Guess I'm not perfect after all, hehehe.

[Lilosh]

Why start a new thread on this, instead of posting in the official "Dead Horses, Laid to rest" topic stickied on the top of this very page?

And, in response to your post.

1) Just because its new to SOMEBODY , doesnt make the horse any less dead and beaten.

2) If someone can't be bothered to read the Visitors Corner, and the FAQ before posting, then I can not be bothered to answer the same question over and over. Maybe If I am a bit insistent, they will RTFM before asking a question that was put into the FAQ for good reason.



-Lilosh

[Cigarskunk]

OK, I'm confused - are the dead horse topics meant to be topics which are in the FAQ and rants or simply topics that are apparently enough of an issue that they come up alot but haven't been put in the FAQ yet or both?

[Iannyen]

I think Dead Horse Topics are topics which are so subjective that there can be no clear cut resolution to them, so they go on forever and ever with no end in sight, until everyone just drops it without resolving it, only to have it brought back up a week later by someone new to the site. The problem with shoving all the dead horses to the side is that since they are usually started ny new visitors, that are unfamiliar with/unwilling to use the search feature or the FAQ, that the person is about as likely to check the dead horse forum than they are the FAQ or search first.....

my 2 bits........

that, by the way, is why I think it won't work....

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

Some horses aren't quite dead

I have to echo what SirOdie said, just because a topic was discussed 6 months ago does not make it a dead one. Not only do you have constant changes to the game but there are new people joining these boards (like me) who might have new insight to offer to the individual starting the post.
Would you rather have people scroll back 20 pages and make post a new reply, dredging up a thread that may have totally outdated information and irrelevant posts or start a new one?

It is extremely conceited for anyone to presume that only topics they approve of should be discussed since this is a semi-public forum. First we are told that we must have very descriptive subject lines to start a thread so members will know if the thread is worth their time and then we are told we may only discuss new topics of interest to those who have been tradeskilling since back when banded armor was the big thing and for deity sake to stop asking all those stupid n00b questions.

Boy, I just feel so welcome here :?

[sir0die]

I think Dead Horse Topics are topics which are so subjective that there can be no clear cut resolution to them, so they go on forever and ever with no end in sight

look at the name of the game EVERquest

the game has no end, so why should all the discussions about it end?

not all discussions need to have an end, not all questions have a diffinitive answer.

lets just get our opinions out there that are relevant to the question asked, and let the asker choose his/her best route.

[Lilosh]

the game has no end, so why should all the discussions about it end?

not all discussions need to have an end, not all questions have a diffinitive answer.

Yeah, we should have a thread at the top of every forum

"WHICH TRADESKILL IS THE EASIEST?"
"WHICH CLASS HAS THE BEST FARMING ABILITY?"
"IS CULTURAL SMITHING UNFAIR?"

I mean sure, the same tired arguments gets used, time after time, and evolve into pointless bickering almost every single time. And sure, they almost always end up locked, or heavily moderated.

But people should be allowed to argue , back and forth, degenrating into pointless flame wars, because THE GAME IS CALLED "EVER"QUEST!!!!


Come on now...



On a wider note:

You know, I'm starting to be really sorry that I ever even brought up this dead horse idea. Sinuuyanea mentioned it, asnd said that it would make the forums a slightly more peaceful place. I enthusiastically agreed, and pitched the idea to the Denmom. She said it sounded ok, and asked for a topic to be made in General Discussion.

And while more then a few people have voiced their support, inevitably a few people have started saying that we are restricting the flow of information to newbies, censoring the boards, and needlessly ruling the board with an iron fist. People seem to revel in the endless arguments , repeated bickering, and endless repetition.

I am going to post in the DenMothers corner, informing her that public opinion seems to suggest that the Dead Horse idea has become one in and of itself, and mention that I withdraw my suggestion. If the other mods want to continue on with it, then more then likely they will be doing so without me.

And with such violent opposition to such a simple suggestion, You can bet that this will be the last time for quite a while that I will make the effort to try to enact a change to make the board a better place.


Disgusted,
-Lilosh

[Cyrnan]

I also called the begging question a dead horse, because I thought the poster had been around long enough to see a few of the strings about it...

Ok, having TWO threads about dead horses has finally caused me to make some suggestions. And, since I'm fairly new to this board (no offense, delfontes, but I've been playing EQ for all of 3 months and been on theis board for maybe half that), AND posted the "Begging" question, these are some of the ideas I have:

- Make the "SEARCH" button more visible. It took me a while to realize it was there (hidden amongst the login and other rarely-used buttons). This is probably the quickest way for ANYONE to find info on a subject. But like I said, it's hard to see

- Make sure if you're going to "Dead Horse" a topic that the info relating to the topic is current. If its in the FAQ, swell. But with all the patches that have gone in since I started playing, it seems info can change in a blink. On the otherhand, the crew that serves this page, especially the Denmom, have done a remarkable job of keeping things running smoothly. My KUDOS to all of you!

- And lastly, out of admittedly pure spite, PUT THIS DEAD HORSE THREAD IN THE DEAD HORSE THREAD!!! I don't think we need two, and the arguments on what is or isn't a dead horse are too subjective. Lots of valid points being made, and no way to place them all ina firm category.

End of song. Please flip the record.

[Ngreth Thergn]

#1 This was opened as a Primal scream? Why is it the genral Tradeskills Thread if it is a Primal Scream?

#2 I closed the deazd horse thread. I am closing this one. Keep it closed until Either Niami or I open one, if we ever do.

#3 If it is so consuming your life that you jsut can;t let it go and absolutely have to talk about it, conversation on this topic now belongs in Primal screams.