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**Chakua** · 06-12-2006, 09:24 PM

I destoyed my old trophy and redid the quest when I hit 300.

**Gorse** · 06-13-2006, 07:18 AM

It is a little early to talk about destroying the trophy.

Let's assume the "worst case" scenario, where you do 4 more combines and skill up to 300 skill and the trophy has not evolved past 69%.

Once you hit 300 skill the trophy will now evolve at 11 times the old rate, and at 300 skill tinkers report 900 successful combines for low 300s combines and 600 successful combines at the 350+ range.

Again assuming worst case scenario, you do low 300 level combines, meaning 900 to advance 100% through the level of the trophy, but since the trophy lags you get the faster skill-up rate until it reaches your tier (Tier 6, 300 skill, 6/7 trophy).

(number of combines X % to go) / rate modifier

(900 x .31) / 11 = 25.4 = 26 combines to level your trophy to 6/7.

Now you have to evaluate if doing 26 successful non-trivial, low 300s combines is a cheaper easier route than, destroying your current trophy and farming the parts to redo the Master level trophy. (I know what my answer is).

This number drops to 17 if it is skill level 350+ combines.

That was "worst case" scenario, meaning you out level your trophy, which in my book is a good thing. Depending on how the random number generator treats you, your trophy could very well reach tier 6/7 before you do (where it will sit and wait, as the trophies do not evolve in the tier until your skill level is in the same tier as the trophy).

Gorse

**Elyssanda** · 06-13-2006, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Prexis

This question is specifically regarding the tinkering trophy. Atm have 296 tinkering skill, but my Expert Mechanist Trophy is only at 69%. If I were to complete this trophy from scratch right now, I should have the same trophy at 92%.

ahhh but you are not guaranteed 4 skillups in your next 4 combines. the trophy will evolve with every successful combine you do, so it will gain no matter what. personally I think you are worrying about it a little to soon. work on skilling up those last 4 points.. last 4 points.. 296-300.. how long on average is it taking most people to get those LAST 4 skillups? see where the trophy is at that point. IF you get lucky and the RNG falls madly in love with you giving you those skillups back to back (which could happen in some distant universe I don't live in) and the trophy's only at say 75%, then you decide if you want to destroy it.
things to consider:
First: look at what is required for making the Master's trophy, would it be easier to collect and make those items? or would it be easier to continue skilling up the trophy knowing it will catch up in a hurry.
second: after considering ease. consider time involved. include the time required to go get the new task, and the finishing of the task, that is all time you wouldn't need if you stick with current trophy.
Third: do you REALLY need the 15% modifier RIGHT NOW? or can you live with the 12% until your trophy does evolve?

**Baldary** · 06-13-2006, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Chakua

I destoyed my old trophy and redid the quest when I hit 300.

I destroyed my Fletching trophy when I hit 300 since it was lagged behind. I had no problems getting a new quest for it.

The reason I destroyed it was because I felt that every combine I did post 300 should be for leveling the trophy from 6 to 7. With a lagging trophy some of those combines would have gone towards getting it to level 6 from 5. I didn't want the pain of farming fletching parts to last any longer than necessary.

If I were the original poster, I would not destory the trophy while at a skill of 296. Wait until you hit 300 and then determine your course of action. When you make a trophy at 300 skill, it is automatically level 6.

Baldary

**Liwsa** · 06-13-2006, 12:25 PM

I had my tinkering trophy at 250 and it was at level 5. When I dinged 300 my trophy was only evloved to 59%. I had the trophy equipped for all attempts in the 250-300 skill up runs. I just did the 31(maybe 35 with a few failures) to level it up to level 6. Was it sad that in the 250-300 run the trophy didn't keep up, yes. Was it earth shattering and scar me for life , no. And no, i did not have great runs of 4-5 checks in a row. A few checks took over 100 combines. I don't think I will ever need to make another POP Earth or Fire cam again. If I ever have to forage another grease in POI in the next 100 years it will be too soon also.

**Bobaten** · 06-13-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Gorse

Once you hit 300 skill the trophy will now evolve at 11 times the old rate, and at 300 skill tinkers report 900 successful combines for low 300s combines and 600 successful combines at the 350+ range.

Those numbers are known to not be accurate for a couple reasons. First of all 900 is 50% more than 600 while 350 is only 16% more than 300, so the spread is far to big. The actual numbers required for master->GM are probably somewhere in between.
Secondly (and far more importantly) the number of combines to go from expert->master are unrelated to the number of combines to go from master->GM. Remember the first number is based on how many combines are expected to be needed to skill up from 250->300, while the second number was set by Ngreth based on how easy he perceived it was to gather materials for 300+ trivial combines. From the advanced calculator the most likely number of combines needed to go from expert to master for tinkering is around 1200.

(number of combines X % to go) / rate modifier

1200 x .31 / 11 = 33.8 = 34 combines to level your trophy to master
If you do 350 level combines (AAAA subcombines most likely) it should take around 29 combines (6 AAAA's).

Now you have to evaluate if doing 26 successful non-trivial, low 300s combines is a cheaper easier route than, destroying your current trophy and farming the parts to redo the Master level trophy. (I know what my answer is).

The time to evaluate is definitely now. Right now you still have the option of doing the Expert tinkering task, which is considerably cheaper/easier than the Master tinker task (many fewer tentacles required).

That was "worst case" scenario, meaning you out level your trophy, which in my book is a good thing. Depending on how the random number generator treats you, your trophy could very well reach tier 6/7 before you do (where it will sit and wait, as the trophies do not evolve in the tier until your skill level is in the same tier as the trophy).

Because the recommended tinkering skill up path includes making a lot of DoN master armor(with a 5% bonus to skill up), out-leveling the trophy is the norm (the extreme case of doing only master combines from 250-300 has an expected number of combines of 540 rather than 1200).

The post 300 combines needed to catch your current trophy up really only represent being 4-5% behind on advancing from master to GM. So check out the Tinkering tasks and decide if the feeling of being 5% behind where you could be will bother you more than the feeling of having "destroyed" materials by doing the task over.

**Prexis** · 06-13-2006, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the replies. I may wait until 299 skill to see how things go with the current trophy, but when it comes right down to it, I would rather redo the expert trophy than to do the master level quest once I hit 300. As common as high level tinkering supplies are, I would rather not use them just to finish evolving the expert trophy unless it is a painlessly low number of combines.

**Gorse** · 06-13-2006, 01:45 PM