Grandmaster's Armor - Min Skill for Max Success

[Twistagain]

NOTE: ALL OF THE DATA IN THIS THREAD IS OUTDATED!!! There are no longer "artificial" caps on these pieces. As such, using the calculator here at eqtraders is sufficient.



I've plotted out the minimum RAW skill needed for max success on the GM armors based on the following assumed caps (unless/until we ever get hard cap numbers, I'm basing these off of evidence on these boards):
Wrists: 90%
Boots, Gloves, Helm: 80%
Sleeves: 70%
Chest, Legs: 60%

There are 2 sets of charts. Both have Modifiers (0%-15%) listed across the columns. The first set lists the Armor pieces in the rows and is separated by Mastery level. The second set lists the Mastery level in the rows and is separated by Armor piece. That way, you can use whichever is better for you. If you find any errors, let me know.

Updates:
Added the 2nd set of charts (by Mastery).

I have updated the charts to include modifiers 0 through 15. Note that not all of these are possible (for instance, there are no +13% mods that I am aware of...but who knows what the future holds.)

I corrected an issue in my original computations that caused 3 of my data points (Wrists at M3+5%, Sleeves at M1+5% and M3+5%) to be off by 1 point. This was due to me NOT truncating the modified skill (for instance, a 101 + 5% = 106 instead of 106.05.)

Note: Some mods are NOT obtainable at the minimum skill required for that mod. For instance, with mod +12%, you need a 247 to have max success with the Wrist piece. You cannot have the +12% mod until your skill is at least 250 (and it is VERY unlikely until well after that.) Regardless, the numbers are included for completeness sake.

Minimum Skill for Mastery 0

                      0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
Full Set            298 296 293 290 287 284 282 279 276 274 271 269 267 264 262 260
Armbands            276 274 271 268 266 263 261 258 256 254 251 249 247 245 243 240
Boots, Gloves, Helm 279 277 274 271 269 266 264 261 259 256 254 252 250 247 245 243
Sleeves             295 293 290 287 284 281 279 276 274 271 269 266 264 262 259 257
Cuirass, Leggings   298 296 293 290 287 284 282 279 276 274 271 269 267 264 262 260

Minimum Skill for Mastery 1

                      0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
Full Set            294 292 289 286 283 280 278 275 273 270 268 265 263 261 258 256
Armbands            275 273 270 267 265 262 260 258 255 253 250 248 246 244 242 240
Boots, Gloves, Helm 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 259 257 255 252 250 248 246 243 241
Sleeves             292 290 287 284 281 279 276 273 271 268 266 264 261 259 257 254
Cuirass, Leggings   294 292 289 286 283 280 278 275 273 270 268 265 263 261 258 256

Minimum Skill for Mastery 2

                      0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
Full Set            285 283 280 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 260 257 255 253 250 248
Armbands            273 271 268 266 263 260 258 256 253 251 249 246 244 242 240 238
Boots, Gloves, Helm 273 271 268 266 263 260 258 256 253 251 249 246 244 242 240 238
Sleeves             285 283 280 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 260 257 255 253 250 248
Cuirass, Leggings   285 283 280 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 260 257 255 253 250 248

Minimum Skill for Mastery 3

                      0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
Full Set            266 264 261 259 256 254 251 249 247 245 242 240 238 236 234 232
Armbands            266 264 261 259 256 254 251 249 247 245 242 240 238 236 234 232
Boots, Gloves, Helm 259 257 254 252 250 247 245 243 240 238 236 234 232 230 228 226
Sleeves             265 263 260 258 255 253 250 248 246 244 241 239 237 235 233 231
Cuirass, Leggings   258 256 253 251 249 246 244 242 239 237 235 233 231 229 227 225

Minimum Skill for Full Set

    0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
0 298 296 293 290 287 284 282 279 276 274 271 269 267 264 262 260
1 294 292 289 286 283 280 278 275 273 270 268 265 263 261 258 256
2 285 283 280 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 260 257 255 253 250 248
3 266 264 261 259 256 254 251 249 247 245 242 240 238 236 234 232

Minimum Skill for Armbands

    0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
0 276 274 271 268 266 263 261 258 256 254 251 249 247 245 243 240
1 275 273 270 267 265 262 260 258 255 253 250 248 246 244 242 240
2 273 271 268 266 263 260 258 256 253 251 249 246 244 242 240 238
3 266 264 261 259 256 254 251 249 247 245 242 240 238 236 234 232

Minimum Skill for Boots, Gloves, Helm

    0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
0 279 277 274 271 269 266 264 261 259 256 254 252 250 247 245 243
1 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 259 257 255 252 250 248 246 243 241
2 273 271 268 266 263 260 258 256 253 251 249 246 244 242 240 238
3 259 257 254 252 250 247 245 243 240 238 236 234 232 230 228 226

Minimum Skill for Sleeves

    0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
0 295 293 290 287 284 281 279 276 274 271 269 266 264 262 259 257
1 292 290 287 284 281 279 276 273 271 268 266 264 261 259 257 254
2 285 283 280 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 260 257 255 253 250 248
3 265 263 260 258 255 253 250 248 246 244 241 239 237 235 233 231

Minimum Skill for Cuirass, Leggings

    0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
0 298 296 293 290 287 284 282 279 276 274 271 269 267 264 262 260
1 294 292 289 286 283 280 278 275 273 270 268 265 263 261 258 256
2 285 283 280 277 275 272 269 267 264 262 260 257 255 253 250 248
3 258 256 253 251 249 246 244 242 239 237 235 233 231 229 227 225

[tatanka7th]

Thanks for compiling this. My only comment is, you can't have a 12% trophy below a skill of 250, and actually it's unlikely below 280 (in my experience, 2 Level 5 trophies at 90% XP with 282 skill, and 92% XP with 278 skill).

Tat

[Twistagain]

True. That's why I didn't include 15% (most who have the older 15% mods are already at 300 or can easily afford to get there.) I included the 12% on all cases just for completion (it does exceed 250 in the higher trivials.)

Also, of note...if you have Mastery 3, it's "harder" to reach the max success rate on the lowest trivials instead of the highest (as the Mastery helps more on higher failure rates.)

[Leana]

Interesting. I did something similar a long time ago.

http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/...id=20947#M9892

[Twistagain]

Interesting. I did something similar a long time ago.

http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/...id=20947#M9892

Heh. Oops. Didn't realize I was re-inventing the wheel. Very similar information (except for the 5,10,15/0,5,8,12 mod breakpoints.) Our 5% mods are nearly identical (off a point here and there, assuming to rounding at different points in the calculation)...which leads me to believe that either we are correct or have been duped by bad info. Lol.

[Parvusimmedias]

edit - me not so smart. me go take smart pill now

[andyhre]

I believe it is not impossible to have 15% mods at any skill level, as there are older raid drops from Luclin with +15% modifiers for smithing and tailoring.

Ah, yes, but as my brain kicks in, i see that you said 12%, which, it is true, is only available via the PoR trophies.

[Leana]

Our 5% mods are nearly identical (off a point here and there, assuming to rounding at different points in the calculation)...which leads me to believe that either we are correct or have been duped by bad info. Lol.

Well, if you were rounding, then that accounts for the differences. I chose not to round at all. The excersize was to determine the lowest point that ensured you have the maximum chance to make the item. I considered 59.98% as lower than 60% and therefore not your best chance. Although the chance was very small, it did not fit my criteria.

I also did this excersize before the new trophies and did not update it since. That pretty much accounts for the differences in our choices in % mod. I went back and tried to edit the thread after the trophies were introduced, but apparently am not allowed to edit a thread after it has been out there for a period of time. Your's is more relevant, now.

I prefer my organization because whoever is using the tables will probably be looking at it with whatever % mod they have. My tables are oriented with all the information for a specific % mod is together, making for less jumping around.

If you like, feel free to pull the information together in a single table.

[tatanka7th]

Followup question....

Do these assumed success caps (90, 80, 70, 60%) also apply to the symbols (augs) made with smithing? Basically, with 256 skill and 8% trophy, can I make the wrist symbol combine with the same confidence that I am at the success cap (90%)?

Thanks for your input

Tat

[Leana]

Yes, the success caps apply to both armor and symbols. Your assumption about making wrist symbols is correct.

[Twistagain]

Well, if you were rounding, then that accounts for the differences. I chose not to round at all. The excersize was to determine the lowest point that ensured you have the maximum chance to make the item. I considered 59.98% as lower than 60% and therefore not your best chance. Although the chance was very small, it did not fit my criteria.

Ironically, my problem was with NOT rounding...as in, I was taking the Modifier out to decimals. I should have truncated it. I fixed it and added in all modifer %s from 0-15.

[deathmonger]

not a bad post even today

[KyrosKrane]

Actually, this information is now totally outdated. The success caps have been removed and the trivials changed, so these figures are no longer correct. They served their purpose, though, during the time they applied.

[Twistagain]

Actually, this information is now totally outdated. The success caps have been removed and the trivials changed, so these figures are no longer correct. They served their purpose, though, during the time they applied.

Heh...and I was actually trying to figure out the answer to that question. I'll edit the original post to avoid further confusion.

[Aldier]

Max skill with a 15% mod and mastery 3 does not approach the 95% success cap rate for non-trivial combines so it makes things simple for Elegant and Sublime combines.