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    ok, i currently do not own PoR, getting it sooner or later though, i am holding off on working on tradeskills until i get it so i dont have to work extremely hard/spend a ton of cash on the 200 trophies, but id like to know, as Allakhazam doesnt have most of the quests listed
    should i go ahead and get up to 199 skill in the stuff and get the (i think its Freshman?) trophy for there, or go to 149 and get the apprentice?
    and if any should be easier (/less farming/cheaper to get ingredients for) in the 200 skill one, which are they?

    i already have 200 brewing so that ones already been decided for me by default hehe
    thanks
    Ddemons Ddemise

    200 Fletching
    200 Brewing
    201 Tailoring
    198 Baking
    100 Jewelcraft
    100 Pottery
    152 Smithing

  • #2
    Ok, since you do not have the PoR expansion yet, you cannot get ANY of the trophy tasks.

    Once you do get the expansion, at which point you get the trophy tasks will be up to you to evaluate.

    multiple factors to consider:

    -why do you want the trophy (bragging rights? the %skill modifier? the stats? the weight resist bag?) and how important to you is it to get it NOW rather than later?

    -your toon's current level, race, your playstyle, etc

    -based on the answer to the latter, the ease with which you will be able to obtain components for any given task

    - do you want all the trophies, or just one for the skill you enjoy the most?

    etc

    Basically, you will get a different answer from everyone on this, it is highly subjective.

    Personally, I went and got every task for every skill I am working on, without regard to my current skill levels. Some skills were at 300, most of them aren't. I haven't finished all my tasks yet, but I will soon, I hope.
    Last edited by Maevenniia; 04-24-2006, 01:36 PM.
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    • #3
      was going to edit that part in but i keep forgetting my password (i use this name on half my forums with several different passwords, hit the 5/5 and finalyl remembered it lol)
      i want them for both the bragging rights, and the helping because one day i want to become a Master Artisan
      im a 55 monk semi-decent gear, bit low on the cash side (i dont farm much for cash, items im fine with in farming, long as its not gonna take 10hours or so to get lol)
      only holding off on them, because for example, was going to do smithing as one of the next couple i did, so i looked up the 200 skill trophy task, and it looks like a bunch of extremely expensive stuff to me, so im gnona keep smithing at 100 (or 149 if i feel like getting it there..) ge tthe task and see what it has (i just thought of doing this actualyl hehe) if i dont like what i see, ill drop it, pop skill up 1 point and see about that one
      the tradeskill im going after 300 in first is brewing, and then going after 200 in all others, until i have some AAs spent on stuff to help fighting, im not gonna bother saving them for the tradeskill ones (and considering i only have one at 200, they arent needed now..)
      Ddemons Ddemise

      200 Fletching
      200 Brewing
      201 Tailoring
      198 Baking
      100 Jewelcraft
      100 Pottery
      152 Smithing

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      • #4
        I just started skilling my cleric up in Baking (he's jealous of the paladin's BPP's). I took him to 97 then did the beginner's trophy. Less farming, no ultra-rare drops, etc. Also figured I'd have to do combines to skill up anyway so might as well level trophy at the same time.

        Have him at 191 now, trophy is 70% into level 3.
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        • #5
          One good point on making the trophies earlier on in your tradeskilling life is that you dont have to make the Old style trophies. Which are a PITA and cost a fair bit of plat.

          For the highter up trophies you will need to make an old-trophie unless you already have one.
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          • #6
            This is as close a thread as I could find, I wanted to share some information I have on testing trophy evolution. Speficialyl what happens when your skill level climbs to a higher tier before you complete the trade skill trophy task.


            Beginner: 50-99. This is the worst possible scenario for skill up before completing the task. Example: Trade skill was at 95, requested task, compelted all steps except one turn in. Then skilled up to 101 (next higher tier) and then completed task for the completion note. When you turn in the completion note, since this is the beginner test, you only get a 1/7 trophy and no certificate. Also, the trophy did not evolve, it was at 0% (as a note, it evolved at 25% increments every 10 combines).


            Freshman: 150-199. I wanted to redo the previous test on a task that would yield a trophy and a certificate. My skill was 195. I requested the task (freshman) and completed all parts to the task and turned in all except 1 item. I then did skill ups until I reached 200 skill (now Journeyman and all the higher I could go at the moment without the AAs to spend to raise a third skill over 200). I then completed the task and turned in the completion note. I received a 1/7 trophy and the certificate. When I equiped the trophy and combined the certificate, the trophy evolved to Freshman (3/7) and was also evolved to 99%.

            I have previously completed the task at the same skill level and the certificate would evolve the trophy to the 2% closest to your skill based on where you are in the 50 skill points of that range. (i.e. if at 199 skill, the trophy evolves to 98% if at 125 skill the trophy evolves to 50%). Since 99% cannot be reached I am assuming that trophies cannot evolve any higher than 99% of the tier of the trophy quest completed.


            I still will test what happens when more than one tier, ie I will get an apprentice quest, then level up to journeyman, then complete the freshman task. But, based on the previous results I completed just last night, it is low on my priority list as I assume it will do the same thing (99% of the level of the task completed).



            Gorse

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gorse
              This is as close a thread as I could find, I wanted to share some information I have on testing trophy evolution. Speficialyl what happens when your skill level climbs to a higher tier before you complete the trade skill trophy task.


              Beginner: 50-99. This is the worst possible scenario for skill up before completing the task. Example: Trade skill was at 95, requested task, compelted all steps except one turn in. Then skilled up to 101 (next higher tier) and then completed task for the completion note. When you turn in the completion note, since this is the beginner test, you only get a 1/7 trophy and no certificate. Also, the trophy did not evolve, it was at 0% (as a note, it evolved at 25% increments every 10 combines).
              correct.

              But also, the trophy evolves through the first two tiers so fast that it should catch up to the player.

              Freshman: 150-199. I wanted to redo the previous test on a task that would yield a trophy and a certificate. My skill was 195. I requested the task (freshman) and completed all parts to the task and turned in all except 1 item. I then did skill ups until I reached 200 skill (now Journeyman and all the higher I could go at the moment without the AAs to spend to raise a third skill over 200). I then completed the task and turned in the completion note. I received a 1/7 trophy and the certificate. When I equiped the trophy and combined the certificate, the trophy evolved to Freshman (3/7) and was also evolved to 99%.
              correct
              I have previously completed the task at the same skill level and the certificate would evolve the trophy to the 2% closest to your skill based on where you are in the 50 skill points of that range. (i.e. if at 199 skill, the trophy evolves to 98% if at 125 skill the trophy evolves to 50%). Since 99% cannot be reached I am assuming that trophies cannot evolve any higher than 99% of the tier of the trophy quest completed.
              correct.
              I still will test what happens when more than one tier, ie I will get an apprentice quest, then level up to journeyman, then complete the freshman task. But, based on the previous results I completed just last night, it is low on my priority list as I assume it will do the same thing (99% of the level of the task completed).
              Correct.
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              • #8
                I have about 40 combines ready for skill ups. (at skill 283 in JC). Is it better to get the skill ups first to get the highest trophy possible, or get the trophy so the skill up attempts will evolve it?
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                • #9
                  In general it is easier to do a lower trophy quest than a higher trophy quest. Check the tasks first to see which you would prefer to do. Since trophies come pre evolved into the level, they keep up with you as your skill increases and usually evolve before you hit the next level.

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                  • #10
                    If possible I suggest making them as early on as possible, then remember to equip them so they evolve as you skill up.

                    The Master Smith Trophy was a pita for me, the Expert one is alot easier to do from what I can see of the quest.

                    I was at Jewelcraft 293 when I decided to make the Experts Trophy (it was pre evolved at 86%) , and was making sooo many combines pr. skillup that it evolved into a masters Trophy (100%) at 296 JC skill...

                    Only sad thing about this is that since I wasn't at 300 skill, every combine after that was lost on the trophy, it just stayed put at 0% at 6/7 from 296 to 300 JC. Pretty sure I could have gotten it to 20% in the next level, lol.

                    Kibber, The Rathe

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kibber
                      Only sad thing about this is that since I wasn't at 300 skill, every combine after that was lost on the trophy, it just stayed put at 0% at 6/7 from 296 to 300 JC. Pretty sure I could have gotten it to 20% in the next level, lol.

                      Kibber, The Rathe

                      But isn't that true at every transition. You get the Freshman Trophy when at 180 skill and it evolves to the Journeyman when you are at 196, then all cobines mean nothing to evolving the trophy until you hit 200.

                      Same for evolving from the starter to Freshman and the Journeyman to Expert, etc.

                      Ot am I wrong on this????
                      Tomojo Wizard of the 67th house of the Seventh Hammer

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                      • #12
                        Yes, you are right, it always does that. There is a psychological diffence though, when you are at 200 skill you are doing combines for both skill ups and trophy evolution. After 300 though, it's all for the trophy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tomojo
                          But isn't that true at every transition. You get the Freshman Trophy when at 180 skill and it evolves to the Journeyman when you are at 196, then all cobines mean nothing to evolving the trophy until you hit 200.

                          Same for evolving from the starter to Freshman and the Journeyman to Expert, etc.

                          Ot am I wrong on this????
                          You are not wrong.


                          The trophy can never evolve more than 1 Tier ahead of your current skill.

                          Tier 1 = 50-99 skill
                          Tier 2 = 100-149 skill
                          Tier 3 = 150-199 skill
                          Tier 4 = 200-249 skill
                          Tier 5 = 250-299 skill
                          Tier 6 = 300 skill
                          Tier 7 = Tier 6 +1 (as high as you can get).


                          If your trophy hits the next tier, it will no longer evolve until your skill reaches the next tear, which can is not as bad as it seems. It could have been limited to your current skill, at least this way the trophy tier (skill tier +1) is limited by skill tier and not vice versa (as a trade skiller we don't want anything to hold back skill).

                          Also, by allowing the trophy to evolve one level above skill, you can reap the benefits, specifically, the higher skill modifier. One way this can be used to the player's advantage is for capped skills (200 skill and no AAs available to buy another trade skill past 200). For example, you can characters with 200 smithing skill, but have already evolved the trophy to Tier 5, thus getting the 8% modifier, without having to spend AAs.


                          Gorse

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                          • #14
                            A very good spot to get the trophy quest, for many of the skills, is when you are at 249.

                            You will get a journeyman trophy with 99% evolution. You are saved from having to make the old-style trophy, which is expensive.

                            Then, in generally, it is hard to reach 300. Especially from 290 to 300, you will not see very quick skill ups. So, again in general, you will find your skill is moving more quickly than you trophy for a while, but unless you are very lucky, your last 10 skill ups will go so slowly that you will catch up and likely evolve the trophy before you reach 300.

                            This is a good thing. The idea that you are then wasting combines is silly -- if you had not yet made the trophy, you would still need to do the combines and so you are exactly where you would be anyway.

                            If by chance, you happen to skill up "too quickly" (never ever think this, it is horrible karma), such that you ding 300 before your trophy has evolved, you have a choice. You can destroy what you have and do the master's Quest. Then you're only out the cost and effort of the Journeyman trophy, which is not too bad. Or, you can fairly quickly 'catch up' your trophy, depending on how many combines away you are.

                            I did this method (basically) for JC, Brewing and my gnome's tinkering. My JC and brewing trophy both evolved to master's before I reached 300. My tinkering did not, so I have a 300 gnome with an expert trophy (and in his case, it was made as an expert b/c he was >250 when the quests came out). I have not had much luck getting items to combine to catch him up, so I may go and do the Master's trophy quest. But in the meantime, I've had the use of the Expert's trophy, which is pretty good, and if I had been able to do it at 249, I'd not even have lost the old school trophy.

                            So I recommend 249 as the sweet spot, for getting an expert's trophy quickly, keeping your costs down, and giving you options for getting a Master's efficiently.

                            This, of course, would not hold if there is a very rare item on the Journeyman's quest that is not required for the higher level ones.
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