Trophy not "catching up"?

[Sophie]

I finally hit 300 in tailoring on my cleric. I did 4 successful combines after she hit 300 that were non-trivial and not more than 100 over her skill level and the Expert's Tailoring Trophy is only "catching up" at a rate of about 1 or 2% per successful combine (based on 4 combines). I realize this isn't a lot of combines, however, I am curious why it is not "catching up" to my skill at a faster rate. The trophy was completed at 295 skill before the patch that gave you the exact percent in conjunction with your skill. Will this start to "catch up" at a faster rate?

Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere, searched the other threads for a bit before I posted.

[Carmaris]

From what I recall seeing, it should take ~400 successful combines to go from level 6 - level 7 on the tailoring trophy...so that would be ~4 combines per 1%.

Assuming that's correct, 1 - 2% per combine to go from level 5 to level 6 post 300 IS skilling up very fast.

[Vidyne]

so based on the math there.... you're trophy is catching up 6x faster?

sure its not the 10x promised.. but could be you're in between a % or other things.

/shrug.

[Gorse]

you're trophy is catching up 6x faster?

sure its not the 10x promised..

Insufficient data to make that assumption.



Gorse

Edit: for brevity.

[Zacatac]

Trophy is only "catching up" at a rate of about 1 or 2% per successful combine

That's sounds about right to me when it normally takes 8-10 combines to get 1%.

[Sophie]

I got the expert trophy at a tailoring skill of 295. From what I have read and based on my other trophies, by the time I hit 300, my trophy should "catch up". I did 5 more combines today, making it 9 total combines SINCE I hit a 300 "master" skill and my trophy has only evolved a total of 13% since I hit 300 skill (for a total of 25% evolved, though I have been 300 skill for the past 9 combines). My EXPERT trophy should be catching up to my MASTER tailoring skill at a much faster rate. I mean I am a master tailor now, I SHOULD have the master trophy to show for it. In the last patch, they made it so when you do your trophy now, it automatically evolves your trophy to the percentage it should be to match your skill. I had my trophy finished before that patch. These combines should be going toward evolving it from level 6 to level 7, not level 5 to level 6.

[Sophie]

From what I recall seeing, it should take ~400 successful combines to go from level 6 - level 7 on the tailoring trophy...so that would be ~4 combines per 1%.

Assuming that's correct, 1 - 2% per combine to go from level 5 to level 6 post 300 IS skilling up very fast.

That 400 combines is based on a person starting at 250 skill and evolving the entire 50 skill ups. It isn't based on the "catching up" phase.

[Bobaten]

The "catching up" phase didn't start untill you reached 300 skill. At this point it looks like you will need to do about 50 more successfull combines to get your trophy to 6/7. You should remember that the 400 combines to go from 6/7 to 7/7 is in no way related to the number of combines to get from 5/7 to 6/7. While the number of combines to get to 7/7 was set based on how easy it is to get materials for each tradeskll that trivial above 300, the number of combines to get from level 5 to level 6 is based on the expected number of combines it would take to raise that tradeskill from 250-300. That is actually a bigger number, and involves more than 400 combines (from your progress I would guess it was estimated at closer to 800 combines). Personally, I would rather destroy the trophy and do the master task than do another 50 combines (combines that would give you about 12.5% advancement towards 7/7).

[Eleena Transient]

I think it would be good if we could give a trophy to the halfling in freeport and get back a beginner trophy and a certificate on par with current skill level. This would solve a few issues:

a ) somehow you got to 300 and trophy only at 50%, you get certificate, redo combine and its the 300 trophy.

b ) you did the quest before last patch at skill 295 and got the tier 5 trophy at 0 %, hand in, combine, and you get the tier 5 at 90%

c ) you get a bugged trophy from a GM reimbursement, you hand in, and get back on track.

[Sophie]

Thanks all for your helpful posts. Gonna wait it out a bit and probably destroy and do master's. Just a little dissappointed that the trophies don't catch up faster after you reach your target skill for the next trophy and dissappointed changes were put into affect after I had completed trophy. I think the changes in the patch were great, I just wish the trophies that were completed before the patch had been ammended, also.

Again, thanks for all your helpful info, especially Bobaten .

[andyhre]

Just a quick data point -- I did the Expert JC quest at exactly 250, just prior to the change in how new trophies pre-evolve. In the course of the quest, I actually dinged 251 (on the Old-style JC trophy, on try two). When I got the trophy, it came with 2% pre-made on it (which makes sense, since 251 is 2% of the way from 250 to 300, on a linear scale). Since then, I've done all my skill ups (from 251 to 275) with the trophy equipped, which by a linear scale should get me to 50%, but it is at 37%. I'm not particularly worried, since I know full well that the skill up rate is not linear and I will need to do a lot more combines from 275 to 300 than I did from 250 to 275.

Anyway, there is some data on skill up vs. evolution.

[Girraff]

I had the same issue with the tinkering trophy. Got Expert with 295 skill. I'm glad they fixed it, however those who already have thier trophy are screwed. Its great that it will level up faster. But, if it takes 50 combines, that 50 combines worth the xp that coulda gone toward my lvl 7 trophy. And 50 300+ tinkering combines is not cheap, not by a long shot. I deleted and redid the master quest. Wish it didnt have to be this way.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

My tinker had made her journeyman's trophy pre-patch at a skill of 248, and hit 250 while doing the test. I seriously considered destroying it when they patched the new certificates, as she was then an expert tinker with journeyman's trophy only 6% evolved. But the need for all those severed feran tentacles convinced me to see what happened before I did anything so rash.

I had a very pleasant surprise waiting for me. I found enough pinions to do roughly 10 or 12 cheirometric lock picks, and enough ore to do 10 cam combines. The trophy gained 2 to 3% for EACH combine, and I got one skill point. My next session I managed to do 16 cam combines, and the trophy evolved to expert before I'd finished (plus I got 3 more skillups!!!).

So it DOES work, guys. Don't be too hasty when deciding whether or not to destroy the trophy you already have.

Kemie

[andyhre]

Follow up:

Right around 290, the trophy caught up with the skill ups. I am still stuck at 290 (after one of those horrid 80 BD+Plat sessions with zero skill ups) and the trophy has passed 80%. On a linear measure, 290 is 40/50, or 80% of the way from 250 to 300, so I expect to get my 12% trophy before I hit 300.

Thus, I am glad I did it at 250 and did not wait for 300, as I've had the advantage of 8% throughout.

[Ndaara]

i got my smithing trophy at 288 or 289 skill. hit 300 skill and the trophy was only 14% evolved. no problem, i'll just watch it evolve, i have some leftover supplies for sickles and i need some tribute anyway. but... i'm only getting 1-2% per combine max.

since hitting 300 skill, here's my successes:
19 sickles
4 GM BP symbols
3 GM Leg symbols
5 GM sleeve symbols

and my trophy is now at 49%.

not meant to be a complaint =) i am having good success with GM symbols (~75% success on them) and i still have some sickle supplies... just tossing my data into the pot.