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  • Dead Horses, finally laid to rest.

    Well, an idea that I brought up to the denmother has been given a tentative go ahead.

    Far to often, a topic will come up that we have all seen before. The same arguments get rehashed, and the same points are brought up. The same words are used, and the same thing happens. Pointless bickering and borderline flames.


    To put some kind of end to this, or to reduce the problem slightly, the Denmom will be putting together a "Dead Horse List" , as I call it. Topics that have been literally done to death. These topics will be locked. <grin>

    {Note I have given instructions about how to deal with dead horse topics as thye pop up, and I wanted to put them here in this topic to help understand how we are handling it.
    #1 If there is a Dead Horse Topic, that pops up in Primal screams or OOC, Point to the Dead Horse FAQ, warn that if this thread gets out of hand like most other threads on this topic have, it will be closed, and let it go.
    #2 It there is a Dead Horse Topic that pops up in any other forum, Point them to the Dead Horse FAQ, Tell them to go look in the Primal screams for a topic on that Dead Horse, Go post in that topic if they absolutly have to talk about that Dead Horse, and close the post. If no Topic about your Dead Horse exisists in Primal screams, create one with the understanding that it has to stay in hand.

    -Ngreth}

    The denmom wants people to help make the list.

    If I may, I would like to start off:

    Cultural Discrepencies (Not fair we dont have it, theirs is better, etc...)
    Which tradeskill is hardest? (Tailoring Vs Smithing is the most common)
    Which race/class is the best for farming?
    UNDERCUTTING. (We all hate or love this, but it always ends up in the same argument)


    And I am sure there are more. Discuss, if you wish.


    -Lilosh
    Venerable Noishpa Taltos , Planar Druid, Educated Halfling, and GM Baker.
    President and Founder of the Loudmouthed Sarcastic Halflings Society
    Also, Smalltim

    So take the fact of having a dirty mind as proof that you are world-savvy; it's not a flaw, it's an asset, if nothing else, it's a defense - Sanna

  • #2
    The no fail forge in Dalnir! That's a horse that's risen from the grave more times then I can count...with my shoes off.
    Mayyne Battlesmith Lvl 55 Smithing Enchanter Drinal
    Lyanne Windrider Lvl 53 Fletching Druid Drinal
    Arrturdent Rangerwithumbrella, Smithing Ranger Quellious
    (inspired by NoniDeecups)

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  • #3
    That one was running through my head as I hit the submit button, but I wasnt sure if it was important enough to mention.


    Apparently it is.


    -Lilosh
    Venerable Noishpa Taltos , Planar Druid, Educated Halfling, and GM Baker.
    President and Founder of the Loudmouthed Sarcastic Halflings Society
    Also, Smalltim

    So take the fact of having a dirty mind as proof that you are world-savvy; it's not a flaw, it's an asset, if nothing else, it's a defense - Sanna

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    • #4
      The what is the fastest/cheapest way to raise skill X. Seems to come up and cross posted every week.
      http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=344207Sikle Bellamorte, 56 Defilerhttp://pub238.ezboard.com/bthepowderroom77512The Powder Room-Real Women DO Play Everquest

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      • #5
        Isn't this why we have the primal scream room?

        Sure you've seen the argument 100 times, but likely the majority of the people posting it have only seen their own post and are not regulars.

        Just put them in the primal scream room (move them if mis-posted), and let them be, everyone needs to blow off steam sometimes...

        Heck, I failed on my trophy, you'd prefer I didn't tell anyone because I have seen 100 people cry about theirs?

        Next, we should get rid of the message board completely because all the questions I have seen lately, no matter how well worded were already answered somewhere on the site, or asked previously.

        I think this is just another case of being upset with newbs for being newbs...

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        • #6
          I'd think topics posted under this being DOA means moved to Primal scream, where appropriate, and that Primal Scream would be immune to dead horsing..
          Xorshaikx level 73 Iksar Monk
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          • #7
            Have a "dead horse board", where dead horses can be forwarded to?

            Different from the primal scream room, and allows people who really want to argue over smithing vs tailoring yet again. =)
            --
            I am not the Yakatizma you are looking for.
            No, really.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Xorshaik
              I'd think topics posted under this being DOA means moved to Primal scream, where appropriate, and that Primal Scream would be immune to dead horsing..
              That would be a good thing. I'd hate to see this move beyond moderation and into censorship. Just because someone is new to the board shouldn't mean that they do not have a right to express their opinion.

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              • #9
                I think the majority of dead horses fall under the category of "We can't do anything here, since it's a design thing, not a bug, so email VI about it, please."

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Yakk
                  Have a "dead horse board", where dead horses can be forwarded to?

                  Different from the primal scream room, and allows people who really want to argue over smithing vs tailoring yet again. =)

                  I am totally in favor of this, if they decide to move the Posts instead of just locking them.


                  The primal scream room is not the place for pointless bickering and flames.

                  It is a place to go to let off some steam, I agree. But not for the momumental arguments that people get into there now. And , just to clarify, I know that I am just as guilty of getting involved as anyone.


                  And delftones: You can complain all you want about failing your trophy. Its not a dead horse. It hasnt been argued back and forth, every day for 3 months that Trophies are hard.

                  But if you want to go into PSR, and argue that Tailoring is Hard, and the smiths have no room to talk about how hard their tradeskill is, then not only is that counter-productive, but it has been done to death. It has no place in the PSR, or any other place. Unless they decide to make a "Horse Butcher Shop" forum, for these type of endless, insulting, pointless debates.

                  Which, I must say again, is not the Primal Scream Room.


                  -Lilosh
                  Venerable Noishpa Taltos , Planar Druid, Educated Halfling, and GM Baker.
                  President and Founder of the Loudmouthed Sarcastic Halflings Society
                  Also, Smalltim

                  So take the fact of having a dirty mind as proof that you are world-savvy; it's not a flaw, it's an asset, if nothing else, it's a defense - Sanna

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                  • #11
                    Trophies aren't hard, I made mine first try. :twisted:
                    ---kidding----

                    I like the Dead Horse Forum Idea. Only problem I see is who gets to decide what is a dead horse? Certainly not the people starting the thread...and usually not the people arguing it (otherwise they wouldn't be arguing...)
                    Master Iannyen Sparklybitz
                    Coercer of 65 Dissapointing Illusions
                    Bearer of the Blessed Coldain Prayer Shawl

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                    • #12
                      Call the dead horse forum...

                      "The Glue Factory"
                      Xorshaikx level 73 Iksar Monk
                      Zaspus level 52 Gnome Rogue
                      Journeyman Baker (239)
                      Journeyman Blacksmith (210)
                      Apprentice Brewer (135)
                      Apprentice Fletcher (156)
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                      Apprentice Mechanist (126)

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                      • #13
                        Honestly for this to work at all you really do need an 'official' response to the question, so you can go: Read THIS.


                        I put a joking one in your original thread, but I was serious about the idea.

                        Examples:

                        -----------------
                        Cultural Inequalities
                        Yes, you are right, whatever your view point is. Your person race should have gotten better a better skill, if any, and everyone else has an advantage over you, personally.

                        -----------------
                        Which Tradeskill is the hardest?

                        This depends on what level you are talking about. Each tradeskill has a point at which is becomes more of a passion than a hobby. Some skills may be advanced through throwing money at them, others there is simply not enough money for.

                        Break points, roughly:
                        Tailoring - 158
                        Smithing - 188
                        Pottery - 190 something?
                        Baking - 250 (snicker) 198 I think is when you have to go to massive combine recipes.
                        Brewing - 190 something
                        Tinkering - 51
                        Poison Making - 250 (Sheesh you can use a trainer for god sakes)
                        Alchemy - ?
                        Fletching - 202
                        Jewelcraft - 205 ( Low end gold trivial )

                        Generally, Tailors and Smiths fight for the crown of "Biggest Masochists"

                        ----------------------------

                        What class is best for farming?

                        Clerics are best for farming because they can combine melee with AOEs.
                        Paladins/Shadowknights are best for farming because they can combine melee with spell damage.
                        Warriors/Monks are best for farming because they provide superior damage.Rangers are best for farming because they have good damage and track and sow.
                        Wizards/Druids are best for farming because of travel and aoes.
                        Necros/Enchanters/Mages are best for farming because of pets.
                        Shaman/Beastlords are best for farming because of pets and sow and melee/spell damage.

                        ---------------------------

                        Undercutting

                        Undercutters should be (shot/appreciated) because of their (damage/effect) on (unreasonable/fair) prices. They are the true (jerks/capalists) who make a profit (at your expense/on their own terms). If you don't (hate/admire) them it is because you are (selfish/selfish).

                        ---------------------------

                        Always Works/Never Fails/ That forge I saw in Dalnirs

                        This is a quest forge, and is addressed in the smithing FAQ. No, you can't use it.

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                        • #14
                          I really don't see a need for a dead horse section. If you don't like the post either don't read or don't post to it. If someone "wants to beat a dead horse" it really only goes on if people respond to it and keep it going. If anyone doesn't like the subject or is tired of rehashing it again and again DON'T read it and certainly don't post to it. Things tend to migrate off the pages rather quickly most of the time since these forums are heavily used.
                          Liwsa 75 Druid Prexus - Retired


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                          • #15
                            I believe that the point of my first post may have been missed.


                            I made this thread for people to give specific topics that would be used in the implementation of this plan.


                            Very few people have done that. Please suggest topics which would be considered a "Dead Horse".


                            And the first person to say "This One" will be promptly covered in JumJum and Thrown into Rivervale at lunchtime. <grin>


                            -Lilosh
                            Venerable Noishpa Taltos , Planar Druid, Educated Halfling, and GM Baker.
                            President and Founder of the Loudmouthed Sarcastic Halflings Society
                            Also, Smalltim

                            So take the fact of having a dirty mind as proof that you are world-savvy; it's not a flaw, it's an asset, if nothing else, it's a defense - Sanna

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