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[Celeste]

PLEASE emphasize a fletching fix for us non-wood elf non karana fletchers.

There is no reasonable path if you are not a wood elf or Karana fletcher.

See this post from Artisan's way.

http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq...message.id=7809

Bottom line, if you are not a wood elf or karana worshipper, you best have a bottomless bank account.



YsalltheKind wrote:

In desperation, I actually tried the GM Fletching Trophy route. Here's what happened:-

282 to 291 - 220 combines of GM Trophy (9 skill ups)
291 to 294 - 39 combines of nightmarewood compound bow (3 skill ups)
294 - 20 combines of stonewood compund bow (zero skill ups)
294 - 30 combines of obsidianwood compound bow (zero skill ups)
294 - 5 x combines of primordial driftwood bow + 3 x combines of featherwood compound bow (zero skill ups)
294 - 22 combines of bazu bone bow (zero skill ups)
294-295 - 60 girplan arrow combines (1 skill up)
295-299 - 100 combines of GM Trophy (4 skill ups)
299 - 160 combines of GM trophy (zero skill ups)

And so, I finally give up, the last point from 299 to 300 has broke my bank, and there goes over 2.5 million plat all told

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I do not know about you, but non wood elf / non Karana diety having to go through this kind of lengths to attempt to get to 300 is total madness by anyone's standards, and horribly unfair. Can something PLEASE be done about it?




Celeste

[KB1]

Once again, and this is only my opinion, but we do not need an increased drop rate on those research componenets. Research can still be a profitable action. I use funds from research to help with my other tradeskills. We don't need pg 73 right dropping off of gints in GD every third kill. The market was saturated enough with the invention of LDoNs, but that wasn't really a bad thing it brought prices from insane to just high.

[ruodrra]

clearly there is a division between those researchers who are making spells for profit and those of us that just want to skill up so that the random number generator doesnt bite us in the rear on a 227 combine for a spell we need to scribe for ourselves. Just say you want them to remain rare components so you can make money, but dont say the drop rate for spells that dont sell for a lot is okay! I think there are more messages in this thread supporting the need for some fix to this than not.

In over a month of hunting and checking bazaar and merchents..and I will even include those components priced outrageously in the bazaar..probably 3/4 of all the components i need to skill up or make my own spells I have never ever seen even being offered for sale or dropped. It may also come down to what sort of guild you are in..raiding versus casual as to how many of these 'rare' components you see. But one shouldnt have to be in a raiding guild to have access to components in a reasonable quantity and price to skill up from 202 to 216 on spells that have no resale value.

I will certainly agree that the success rate for spell combines is set favorably for researchers however. Out of 7 attempts at a 227 trivial spell I got 7 spells (but no skillups).

[perdishon]

clearly there is a division between those researchers who are making spells for profit and those of us that just want to skill up so that the random number generator doesnt bite us in the rear on a 227 combine for a spell we need to scribe for ourselves.

Well, those of us making spells for profit don't want the RNG biting us in the rear either. I failed a DI combine last week at 205 skill + geerlok and AT3... and it hurt.

Just say you want them to remain rare components so you can make money, but dont say the drop rate for spells that dont sell for a lot is okay! I think there are more messages in this thread supporting the need for some fix to this than not.

I don't really get this though. There seems general agreement that getting to 200 is not a problem. At 200 + geerlok you are doing pretty well on the success front. Look at people doing Aid Grimmel back when the 252 caps were in - now those are real fail chances. I see more people wanting 227 for its own sake - or even a path to 300 - than people complaining about needing higher skill to avoid fails.

But one shouldnt have to be in a raiding guild to have access to components in a reasonable quantity and price to skill up from 202 to 216 on spells that have no resale value.

Research components are certainly not more common for raiders either, unless you know of guilds raiding Sebilis and such. Component drop rate is zero in OoW and DoN; I've never seen a rare one during a GoD raid either. Its hard to take your complaints seriously if you haven't done the research to know that most current raid zones are devoid of components.

The simple way to research skill ups is to make a list of all the potential skill up research components, then farm bazaar, vendors, and zones like veksar which have frequent higher level research drops. If you want to xp in OoW zones/DoN missions and expect to buy all your skill ups in bazaar then it just not going to happen for you.*

Research has zero subcombines, relatively few components per combine, requires zero assistance from fellow players and not a single point in any other skill...If they made research components common enough every single Int caster would be at 227 and it would be meaningless.


-perdishon

* I'm not implying that this applies to you personally. I just see that a lot of people have decided to farm and xp in non-research dropping zones almost exclusively. LDoN, PoM, Veksar, Chardokb and the like are virtual ghost town's on Stromm:-/

[KB1]

Well rgc trivs at what 187? So making those components less rare for the sake of skilling is not logical. Yes, and I said it before, I don't want a cap to 300 actually implemented then there be so few paths to that skill level that i is as bad as fletching.

[ruodrra]

perdishon commented:

Well, those of us making spells for profit don't want the RNG biting us in the rear either. I failed a DI combine last week at 205 skill + geerlok and AT3... and it hurt.

I think that makes my point. I would like to get to 216 or higher so that with geerlok the chance of failing on one of my 60 spells with expensive components (if I even find them) is as low as possible. It woud seem to me if you are making spells for profit you would want to, too.

I don't really get this though. There seems general agreement that getting to 200 is not a problem. At 200 + geerlok you are doing pretty well on the success front....I see more people wanting 227 for its own sake - or even a path to 300 - than people complaining about needing higher skill to avoid fails.

I honestly dont know how easy it is to get to 200 now that you can not train to it but I am guessing since it is relatively new you havent seen the full effect. This is coupled with the fact that a LOT of players dont even bother with research becasue of the complexity but simply resign themselves to buying or camping their spells. I am not interested in 227, or 300 for its own sake but as stated above, as a way to maximize by own combinse.

The simple way to research skill ups is to make a list of all the potential skill up research components, then farm bazaar, vendors, and zones like veksar which have frequent higher level research drops. If you want to xp in OoW zones/DoN missions and expect to buy all your skill ups in bazaar then it just not going to happen for you.*

I have a speadsheet of almost 100 components I search for regularly as my path to skilling up or making my own spells. And this JUST covers over 202 for the most part and excludes probably 1/2 to 3/4 of the shaman, druid and cleric spells I could research because that is the limit of my shopping capabilities. Of those almost 100 components, I would estimate there are about 1/3 I have never seen dropped or for sale (at a reasonable price) and another 1/3 I have acquired perhaps 1 of. In several months of playing and searching, I have found the components to research ONE of my 8 level 60 druid spells.

Research has zero subcombines, relatively few components per combine, requires zero assistance from fellow players and not a single point in any other skill...If they made research components common enough every single Int caster would be at 227 and it would be meaningless

You are certainly right about this -- but if you consider obtaining these 'relatively few components' to say, obtaining the multiple ingredients for making misty thicket picnic baskets and their subcombines, there is hardly a comparison. Perhaps that is why there are so many more GM bakers than researches that have reached 227 trivial..but that doesnt make a bakers skill at 250 any less meaningless.

* I'm not implying that this applies to you personally. I just see that a lot of people have decided to farm and xp in non-research dropping zones almost exclusively. LDoN, PoM, Veksar, Chardokb and the like are virtual ghost town's on Stromm:-/

This also is my point...with all the zones available to players now, the drops should be as has been stated, "not zone/mob specific". For example, I need rune of coruscating for the level 60 druid spell Moonfire. I have never seen it in the bazaar for sale and a search of eqtraders threads reveals that other players in 2003 have said it drops in Tenebrous Mountains from a rare spawn and in Vex Thal. Another popular site says it drops from 6 other zones from mobs I would need a group to go camp.

Well, for all of you that have put up with my ramblings about the problems of research thank you (thank Gawd I hear the imaginary collective sigh now!!! lol) I wont post anymore because I have given all my arguements in this thread and others, and nothing will probably change anyway so I am going to stop worrying about it.

[Maevenniia]

This thread has veered off the original topic long enough. closing thread, if you wish to open a discussion on Spell Research in the forum of the same name, please feel free to do so.