250-300 Skill up Data collection Thread #3

[Tiroon]

You have to measure the 1% against the 1.74%/0.87%/1.7%. The rate of skilling up in the second example is a whopping 60% faster, i.e. 60% less combines on average per skillup.

[Phantron]

Brewing 250-292, about 870 combines (860 champagne magnums plus whatever I salvaged) on Brut Champagne. Used geerlok, max stat was 365 though there was about 5 combines I forgot to put on my tradeskill gear.

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Here's some brewing data while I'm at it... 400 int + trophy.
Not all combines here were in the 95% success rate as I was doing brut champagne the whole time which explains the worse skillup rate compared to JC despite it being only a diff 3 skill.

Only from 269 to 300 though... I can't find my data from before that.

Combines per skillup
1
21
4
9
7
5
5
95
4
24
60
2
12
34
35
16
46
47
58
6
8
25
26
7
54
72
63
151
59
42
5
2

Total combines 1005 for 32 points is 31.4 combines per skillup.

[Phantron]

Brewing 292-299, 320 combines. 365 int, Brut Champagne.

[Amaruk]

Baking 250-300

Here is my baking records for Anetu from 250-300 skill. I actually have my records going back to the 100 or so range but that was all prepatch and not needed for this. All combines were done with Trophy in my ammo slot, all the MTP were done in Shadowhaven the rest were mostly done there with some in other random zones.

Starting at a skill of 250.

Skill.....Success.....Fail.....Combine.....Skill up on.
251.......23............15......MTP...........Succ ess
252.......12.............3.......MTP...........S
253.......18............14......MTP............S
---.......10.............5.......MTP
254.......13.............8.......MTP............S
255.......8...............4.......MTP............S
256.......26.............17......MTP............FA IL
257.......53.............34......MTP............S

----------CODE CHANGE PATCH------------

---.......22.............1........GMelt
258.......15.............1.......AMelt...........S
---........12.............0.......AMelt
---........21.............1.......JMPie
---........5...............0.......VTStew
---........63.............4........CVC

----------INT now 270-----------------

259.......9...............0......BoCrab........... S
---.......15..............0......BoCrab
260.......8...............0......BoCrab........... S
---........13.............1......BoCrab
261........62............4......JMPie............. .S
262........18............0......JMPie............. .S
263........7..............0......JMPie............ ..S
---.........5.............0.......JMPie

----------INT now 280------------------

264........29............2.......CVC.............. .S
---.........39............2.......CVC
265........20............0.......JMPie............ ..S
266........32............4.......JMPie............ ..S
---.........6.............1........JMPie
---.........2..............1.......AMelt
267.........4.............0........GMelt.......... ...S
---.........0..............1........GMelt
268.........4..............1........MTP........... ...S
269.........11............3........MTP............ ..S
270.........54............18.......MTP............ .S
271.........19.............7........MTP........... ..S
---..........71............12.......MTP.............. S

-----------INT now 285-------------------

272.........18.............0........MSand......... ..S
---..........1..............0........MSand
273..........7..............0.......PFPies........ ....S
274..........7..............0.......PFPies........ ....S
275..........39............2.......PFPies......... ....S
---...........5.............0.......PFPies
---...........20...........0.......VTStew
276..........1.............1.......JMPie.......... .....S
277..........4.............1.......JMPie.......... .....S
278..........3.............1.......JMPie.......... .....S
---..........44............5.......JMPie
279..........12............1.......OSup........... ....S
---...........29...........0........OSup
280..........5..............0.......MTP........... .....S
281..........23...........4........MTP............ .....S
282..........27...........0........MTP............ .....S
283..........12...........0........MTP............ .....S
284..........23...........3........MTP............ .....S
285..........34...........3........MTP............ .....S
286..........14...........1........MTP............ .....S
287..........9.............0.......MTP............ .....S
288..........19...........2.......MTP............. .....S
289..........1.............0.......MTP............ .....S
---...........19...........1.......MTP

290..........1.............0.......MTP............ .....S
291..........63............3......MTP............. .....S
292...........7............1.......MTP............ ......FAIL
293..........37............1......MTP............. .....S
294..........29............1......MTP............. .....S
---...........56............1......MTP
295..........31............1......MTP............. ....S
296...........27...........2......MTP............. ....S
297..........77............3......MTP............. ....S
298..........40............2......MTP............. ....S
---...........15............2......MTP
299...........11...........0......MTP............. ....S
300..........93............8......MTP............. ....S
***COMPLETE***

MTP = Misty Thicket Picnic---355 Trivial
GMelt = Griffon Melt---275 Trivial
AMelt = Anaconda Melt---275 Trivial
JMPie = jord meat pie---282 Trivial
VTStew = vann toe stew---282 Trivial
CVC = cheesy vegetable casserole---284 Trivial
BoCrab = bucket of crab legs---288 Trivial
MSand = mephit sandwich---276 Trivial
PFPies = planar fruit pies---282 Trivial
OSup = Omelet Supreme---302 Trivial

An entry with --- means that I ran out of supplies without a skill up.
Therefore:

---...........19...........1.......MTP
290..........1.............0.......MTP............ .....S

is the same as
290..........20.............1.......MTP........... ......S

I did not want to make any entry mistakes though so I did an exact copy from my notes. Also I did not want to combine skill ups from different trivials. I noted where my INT went up because of leveling. My actual INT would be well over 300 but I dont have the AA's yet.

Totals
1833 combines to gain skill points 251-300
290 combines to gain skill points 251-257 before patch
1543 combines to gain skill points from 258-300 after patch

41.42857 combines per point pre-patch
35.88372 combines per point post-patch

1017 successful combines of MTP
4068 picnics dumped into guildbank or slated for same (203 stacks)

2 skill ups on failed combines
2 skill ups on 1 combine

Notes:
It seems that my increase in INT helped out with my skill up rate, whenever I hit a wall I would go level and then could get a bunch of skill ups in just a few combines. Can probably graph my skill ups using the formulae but would be best broken up for each time my INT went up.

Working on JC now but at 279 and combines are harder to come by.

(Sorry if the formating seems strange)

[Ilona]

Deandra's tailoring

Human Cleric, lvl 65, 280 wis, no mastery or salvage aa's
189 1
190 21
191 4
192 8
193 8
194 5
195 9 and counting

PS Maev, you can delete the post where you've quoted my data from the old thread, I have split it up into several posts here so it's easier to keep updated!

[Elyssanda]

Fletching:starting at 268 (triv for condensed arrows)
51 combines, 3 skill ups, 2 salvages with *Salvage 1*.
Ended at 271
complete details in fletching thread.

[Celeste]

Tailoring Skill ups since 6/29 patch

Tailoring - Othmir Fur Cloaks
Done with 450 wisdom. 540 dexterity in Guild Hall.

289-289 --- 200 combines. 194 success. 6 fails

Considering that amazing run of no skill up. I gathered that either
(1) skill ups are not possible in guild hall?
(2) the 504 dex is making something mess up?
(3) SOE broke the skill up formula on othmir fur cloaks

Moved toon to POK.

289-290 --- 28 combines. 28 success. 1 skill up

Managed to get a skill up in POK, but not in guild hall.

7/12 the night before the patch. Blew remaining othmir furs

290-290 --- 46 combines. 43 success. 3 fail. ZERO Skill up.


That was a total of 1096 furs (about 80% bought in bazaar at hideously inflated prices) for a total of 1 skill up. Can someone at SOE please explain how it is possible for the RNG to make a player go through TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR combines to get 1 point of tailoring??? THAT cannot be true. I have farmed 8-10 hours a day since the 6/29 patch. Is the formula broken on othmir fur cloaks or something? There is NO way possible my luck could be so horrendously bad. Explain please.


Celeste

[Maevenniia]

Considering that amazing run of no skill up. I gathered that either
(1) skill ups are not possible in guild hall?
(2) the 504 dex is making something mess up?
(3) SOE broke the skill up formula on othmir fur cloaks

1) yes they are
2) no its not
3) no they didn't

That was a total of 1096 furs (about 80% bought in bazaar at hideously inflated prices) for a total of 1 skill up. Can someone at SOE please explain how it is possible for the RNG to make a player go through TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR combines to get 1 point of tailoring??? THAT cannot be true. I have farmed 8-10 hours a day since the 6/29 patch. Is the formula broken on othmir fur cloaks or something? There is NO way possible my luck could be so horrendously bad. Explain please.


Celeste

Celeste, read more of your fellow tradeskillers olders posts and you will see that both before and since the changes made to the skillup formula, it was certainly possible to have large runs of combines with only one, a few or even NO skillups.

It's NOT BROKEN. Yes it is possible for your luck to be bad. It's also possible that you will get very good luck on your next run. It's random.

One more thing, do NOT post demands for Dev attention at EQTC. We are fortunate that they come here at all, but it is a privelge for us that they do. Posts for Dev attention are more likely to get a response at at the EQLIVE, The Artisan's Way forum. Although being polite would help.

[Phantron]

One way to think of how you can get this result is:

Fail 200 in a row at some point during 274 combines, then for the remaining 74 combines, succeed once.

At 289 your chance of skillng up is about 3.5%. The chance to fail to skill up 200 in a row is about 1/1243. The chance to fail 200 in a row during 274 combines is 6% (there are 75 chances to fail that many) and yours happened on the first 200 combines. I'll go out on a limb and say that getting 1 skill up in 74 combines is probably not an event with less than 16.6% (1/6) chance of happening since events like that has been observed for a very long time. So the event of getting 1 skillup in 274 combines is no less than 1%. Note that there are many ways to get the 1 in 274 result so the actual chance has to be higher, but what I listed just happens to be easy to compute and readily fits the observed pattern.

The RNG does not remember the fact that you fail 200 in a row and try to compensate you later. Whenever you have a large string of fails going, the best thing to do is forget about it completely, because that's how the RNG deals with it. Mentally, it might be best to limit yourself to around 100 combines at a time. While it doesn't change the outcome any, it's easier to think of each time you combining as starting anew completely and the worst you can do is fail 100 in a row, which is probably around 5% chance of happening, which you can just think of as having failed a trivial combine.

From this board, I got the feeling most people would prefer if tradeskill was more like leveling. That is when you make a >your skill combine it gives you some XP toward your next point of skill and when you done enough you ding the next skill point. I think EQ2 does this, but that's not how EQ1 works.

[Veremar]

Tailoring Skill ups

Wisdom 400
Geerlock, Mastery 3, Salvage 3 (not that they matter)
Started at 268 did 186 combines ended at 281 13 skill ups
All Wood Elf master DON armor combines

[greebmushroome]

jc skilling

jewelcrafting

345 wis, high elf, cleric (chanter alt)
all after the skillup rate was changed.


287

prolly 100+ (uncounted)

12 combines + 0 fail

288

70 combines 5 fail

289

2 combines 0 fail

290

3 combines 0 fail

291

15 combines 1 fail

====session break====

2 combines 1 fail

292

40 combines 3 fail (plat bd)

30 combines 1 fail (black sapph. pallad)

=======session break=====

5 combines 1 fail (pall fire opal)

293

7 combines 1 fail (pall fire opal)

294

20 combines 1 fail (plat BD)

61 combines 5 fail (black sapph. pallad.)

1 combine (pallad BD)

2 combines (pallad diamond)

=======session break=========

3 combines (pallad BD)

295

6 combines 1 fail (pallad jacinth)

18 combines (pallad diamond)

11 combines (gsc)

296

54 combines 5 fails (gsc)

=======session break========

1 (velium BD)

297

39 3 fail (velium BD)

23 3 fail (pallad jacinth)

25 4 fail (pallad diamond)

298
=======session============

27 1 fail (velium BD)

16 0 fail (pallad jacinth)

299

2 pallad jacinth

300!

cheers,
-greeb mushroome

[Elfdruidess]

High Elf Magician. Tailoring. 265 int. With Trophy. No AAs.

250-287: 840 solstice robes

-------solstice robes nerfed------------

287-295: 111

--------skillup rate nerfed--------------

295-296: 131
296-297: 75
297-298: 17
298-299: 62
299-300: 16

Post Solstice nerf, combines were roughly 50% Velious, 46% PoP. The remaining 4% is 10 Artisean Seals and 7 DoN cultural.

[Phantron]

74 tailor combines on Master arms, 286-289, 365 stats.

[Veremar]

400 Wis
Salvage 3, Tailoring mastery 3
Begining skill 281
200 atempts
Ending skill 284

3 skill ups on 200 atempts of Master DON wood Elf armor.