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**Dyllwin** · 04-24-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Vidyne

But between 120k pp for tradeskills, and a decent upgrade, which would you choose as tradeskillers?

hmmm....plat for tradeskills, or an item....hmmm...that's a tough one

It all depends on how much you like tradeskilling. Don't do it for the long-term possible benefit of one item (AG Earring), do it because you like to. If you don't like to tradeskill, then take the new DoN item and run, it will help you more in your group and raid encounters.

**tnexus** · 04-24-2005, 06:56 PM

Tradeskills enable you to make plat many times over. So I'd say tradeskills. Think of it like you're investing in mutual funds. You lose money now, but it'll pay off in the end.

**Niphreedil** · 04-25-2005, 05:02 AM

1. Sell crystals to skillup tailoring or ...
2. Make 60 crystals and buy the item.

The ratio between these two alternatives is almost infinite

. Option 2. all the way, unless you want to embrace the career of a tailor and spend thousands of man hours on it.

**Cloud** · 04-25-2005, 12:44 PM

I don't know about u but i have in no way at all even come close to making any money off trade skills. Maybe if u are a 300 in all u can make a little but do u think u will ever make back the 2 mill pp it took u to get to 300 in all?

**Wyvernwill** · 04-25-2005, 01:45 PM

I've made a lot of plat over time, but then again, my tailor was upper 230s when Luclin came out. Selling Acrylia Studded Cloaks for 10k+ per and Acrylia Reinforced armor made me almost 500k. Solstice Robes, even more. Those items alone paid for all of my tradeskilling in Tailoring. I've made and sold 6 Elemental bows back shortly after getting Elem access for about 80k per with no real cost associated, that covered my Fletching.

Baking/Brewing are about the only two skills I really lost money on. Jewelcrafting pop jewelry made back a lot of my losses, same with pottery. Granted, most of those means really don't have the selling power that they use to, they were more of hot items that came out and weren't very prevalent. Augments are now the way to make a lot of money fast, especially if you can get your hands on Scoriae and the Ite augs.

**Ghismonda** · 04-25-2005, 02:51 PM

Is farming the items from Velious for skillups, and farming the fire drops yourself not an option? A 70 BST could certainly solo the spiders in fire's first field to yield the saps.

**Vidyne** · 04-25-2005, 03:21 PM

Farming is an option, but quite tedious.

Farm greens for 10hrs, get enough for perhaps... 30 combines at absolute most... do those 30 combines, not get a single skillup... day wasted.

WW and WL furs and velious combines such as that are likely out because of lack of a tracker... Othmir and Holgresh drop rates are abysmal... Wyverns are ok, but cod oil isnt sold, so I have to fish that too.

Not fire flagged yet, not sure I will be, that is the other damper on the AG earring, and getting it done.

Ele flagged(not fire), 2 minis in solro killed, all flags up to that point are what I have. Was told you didnt need the Fire flag though for the tailoring part... am not sure of that though.

Family, semi raiding guild, not hardcore raiding guild..
We are pushing through VT as it is with raids of 25-40.
We have entered SolRo, but the push is in VT for now, and OoW mobs as well.

Im still not sure if I should keep doing minimal upgrades in DoN with the crystals, that will eventually be replaced... or go with plat.. and raising tradeskills, which cant be replaced/outdated.

Im ok I guess, at 6200 unbuffed for my lvl.
5 more 50hp augs would help... but /shrug..
I'll probably get the weapon sometime soon, but for now...

So ill probably sell the crystals, and try solstice robes.
Would take me about 4 weeks farming 10hrs a day to get enough combines worth to go 203-250 on velious.. maybe longer. Celestial Essences are truely boring after a while, but solstice robes are just faster... and allows me time to get aa and continue to advance my character as well.

**Ghismonda** · 04-25-2005, 06:18 PM

I can tell you with certainty that if you get the saps from bazaar or elsewhere, you can do the signet turn in without having killed Sol Ro. I did it on my cleric with only air/earth/water flags.

**Qaladar Bragollach** · 04-25-2005, 10:36 PM

You can also do the fletching step (step 6) without being flagged for air. I posted this in the quest forum but got no comments.

**Cloud** · 04-25-2005, 11:23 PM

But u can't do final one without having a hope stone and this is something that is hard to come by these days without people exping much in EPs cause I never seen one drop in many hours at tables so not sure if the one last exp area in the EPs that is left even drops them.

**Kakg** · 04-26-2005, 11:10 AM

Unless you are a dedicated tradeskiller who knows their markets and can make decent plat in the bazaar night after night then I would recommend the upgrade rather than the tradeskills.

I come from the other side of the equation. I tradeskill in order to be able to afford upgrades. For me tradeskilling has proved to be a very successfull money spinner and not the plat sink that others would have you think. Over the last year and a half I have made at least 500kpp from tradeskills and I'm nowhere near being maxed. Almost all of the items I sell are tradeskilled, I never resell other people goods and I rarely have any Xping items worth selling. However I never have to worry about where my next plat piece will come from as I know I only have to wait until I get home to check my mule and he will typically have another 5kpp in his pockets and often much much more.

But having said that I sacrifice raid and XPing time in order to resupply my bazaar mule even when the items I am making have been trivial green for a long time. Yes my XPing is slowed significantly and I don't have the masses of AA's that others have. Also because a lot of my sellable items are trivialed I don't make as much progress as those who throw money at tradeskilling in order to make it to max as fast as possible.

However if I had worked for 60 crystals in DoN I wouldn't use them to pay for tradeskilling, I'd reward myself for the effort by buying a decent upgrade.

And Cloud....... It's perfectly possible to make tradeskilling pay, even on Stromm. You raid - I trade - same game just from different angles. (BTW how's your Dark Speech these days

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**Wyvernwill** · 04-26-2005, 01:17 PM

Let's see here... good ways to make easy plat while tradeskilling.

Easiest way... sell the pre final combine items. When I wanted to work up tailoring, I usually made one stack of Celestial Essences for my tradeskilling and two for selling. Selling CE at 10pp per gave me enough money to pay for a stack of emeralds and a stack of swatches. Yeah, I put in a ton more labor, but it made raising my mains tailoring a lot easier. (My original tailor was my necro alt cause he was easy to get to 250 int where my Paladin, I was lucky I broke 100wis.)

Subcombine items for common skilling routes generally sell fairly well because in the case of MCS a lot of people do not want to combine that many celestial essences.

Tradeskilling is all about knowing markets. The more you study your servers, the easier, faster and better you do tradeskilling.

**Baldary** · 04-26-2005, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Cloud

I don't know about u but i have in no way at all even come close to making any money off trade skills. Maybe if u are a 300 in all u can make a little but do u think u will ever make back the 2 mill pp it took u to get to 300 in all?

I have made a ton of plat tradeskilling. I probably netted over 1 million plat from making Velium Gemmed weapons and I didn't even get access to KT until last week. I bought all the raw shimmering nihilite and shimmering alinged ore I could find in Bazaar. Timing can be critical to making plat from tradeskilling.

I did not get into tradeskills to make plat or to get uber items. I did them because I enjoyed them.

To the OP, if I were you I would not skill up just to get the Aid Grimmel earring. This earring used to be about the best earring in the game. Today, however, there are many that are comparable.

Baldary

**Voltai Ausra** · 04-30-2005, 05:38 AM

Tradeskill!!!

To tradeskill or not to tradeskill is a simple question. Sell the crystals, take the cash invest in tradeskills. The basic reasoning is this, tradeskills are a GREAT way to pass time between exp groups, DoN missions...basically all forms of xping. So in the short run you might be kicking yourself for delaying your upgrade. You can always do more DoN to get the crystals, but having something to do while you wait around is infinitely more fun than simply standing around. At least that's how I feel.

As for the other topic of making money on tradeskills. I don't even sell tradeskill items and I make heaps of cash. I sell my skill at doing combines.
They assume all risk for item loss. Smithing, Poison Making, JC are the big money makers because of the augment market. It's like selling subcombines, but charge 5K per and you're looking at a significant income. I avg 20K per augment I make for other people who then go sell it later.
Personally I HATE being in trader mode, I'm much happier running around making things (DIE SICKLES!!! btw) or exping as above.

Honestly I think you'll be happier being able to fully utilize your time online via tradeskills and exp. Rather than just taking the upgrade right now. But tha's just my opinion

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