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  • What level are you, and do you raid?

    Big and ugly discussion in the board regarding who the tradeskillers are...

    sub70 and Not in a raid Guild
    70 and Not in a raid Guild

    sub70 and in a raid Guild
    70 and in a raid Guild

    Raiding guild = Must raid when guild calls. Raids atleast 5 times a week.

    What kind of tradeskiller are you?
    122
    sub70 and Not in a raid Guild
    45.90%
    56
    70 and Not in a raid Guild
    7.38%
    9
    sub70 and in a raid Guild
    10.66%
    13
    70 and in a raid Guild
    36.07%
    44
    Expert Artisan Secone Iceskimo of Antonius Bayle
    70 Paladin of Tunare
    My Complete Tradeskill Guide 3.0
    (300 Brewer +15%) (300 Jewler+12%) (300 Baker) (300 Potter+12%)
    (286 Fletcher, Mastery1+8%) (300 Smith, Mastery3+12%) (253 Tailor+8%) (200 Fisher)
    Salvage3
    Fumlefingre (286)+8% Tinker
    Snigemorder (300)+15% Poisonmaker

  • #2
    so many views, so litle voting.
    Is there an option i have forgotten?

    [ ] I dont play anymore
    [ ] I have /role ON for a reason. HEY YOU dont con me!
    Expert Artisan Secone Iceskimo of Antonius Bayle
    70 Paladin of Tunare
    My Complete Tradeskill Guide 3.0
    (300 Brewer +15%) (300 Jewler+12%) (300 Baker) (300 Potter+12%)
    (286 Fletcher, Mastery1+8%) (300 Smith, Mastery3+12%) (253 Tailor+8%) (200 Fisher)
    Salvage3
    Fumlefingre (286)+8% Tinker
    Snigemorder (300)+15% Poisonmaker

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    • #3
      Few options missing:
      66 and not a raider.
      might be nice if it were broken down every 5 levels. ALOT of people are sub 70. every 5 levels would give a more accurate account.

      Alliance Artisan
      Proud owner of Artisan's Prize.

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      • #4
        Your definition of a raider could be expanded too. You defined a raider as 5 nights per week. That certainly doesn't fit me. Heck, I don't do 5 nights per month. However, I do raid once a week, pretty consistently. Maybe I'm a casual raider. LOL.




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        • #5
          I think this poll is in response to the suggestion that MOST people who are SERIOUS about tradeskills are folks who spend a lot of time playing and are level 70 raiders.

          While MANY of our most serious tradeskillers fit that criteria, I would not say it is most.

          One thing I find odd is that you can't even take someone's skill level in one (or all) trades as a reflection of exactly how serious a tradeskiller they are. If you play a lot, and have access to lots of plat, you can view tradeskill masteries as just another quest to grind through. I know people with higher levels in several skills than me that don't know the recipes or history of the tradeskills like I do, for instance.

          I began smithing at 7th level, and was at 200 before I hit 20th level. This was in 2000, when the latest exciting invention was the stacking of folded medium quality sheet metal (that happened when my smithing skill was 192). I know smithing. I have been very active in tradeskills for several years. So even though I am not 1750, I consider myself a SERIOUS tradeskiller.

          Is someone who ground skills to 240 for Grimel, but otherwise doesn't do much with tradeskills a serious tradeskillier? Or just someone with serious skills? I bet you will find some of each, but I also bet most of the ones that ground the skills up rapidly by spending a bunch of plat were high level raiders.

          This is a complex issue.

          Boleslav Forgehammer
          Paladin of Brell in his 67th Campaign
          E'ci - Sacred Destiny

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          • #6
            I'm not a raider by your definition, yet I am 66 and raid 2-3 times a week (non-mandatory since I refuse to belong to a guild that tells me when I have to play). We're on track for the elementals and have already done a lot of kills just as a guild, including AD, Carprin Cycyle, Sol Mini's (all but one), Grummus, MB, etc.

            I'm a tradeskiller because I enjoy it, and it's something that helps me keep the game in perspective. When I start to get too focused on AA's or level, I simply throw my hands up in the air and farm for TS, or TS if I already have the components. It's very satisfying, and one of my favorite things to do after finally getting done with a long raid is to run to the Queen of Thorns and do some TS'ing. I don't have to do most of my TS's there, but for some reason I really enjoy being there. I suppose it's partly the atmosphere and music, and partly the fact that its TS-central (yet there are never more than 2-3 people in the zone). Making TS'ing more of a reward than a chore has made it a breeze to skill up (with the exception of farming for Shadowscream, that's just annoying ;P).

            I Combine, therefore, I am.
            Last edited by Ravenswood; 03-03-2005, 07:44 AM.
            Huntmaster Caelith Dawnrunner 85 +2071
            Expert Smith- 300/15% Trophy/SM3/Salvage3

            Hunter Sarth Ravenswood (retired)

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            • #7
              I'm 66 and in a non-raiding guild. Raiding is ebil! Give me my nice little corner in pok and some tradeskill things to do and I'm happy!
              Celestya
              66 Druid
              The Rathe
              Expert Artisan (1750 Club Member)
              Chanthira - 245 Tinkertot
              Serenity - 190 Alchemist-in-training

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              • #8
                I consider myself a serious tradeskiller because I spend at least 2 to 3 hours every day making items to sell on my bazaar mule to be able to afford to continue tradeskilling.

                I am not a raider by any measure and I would challenge any assertion that a dedicated raider who raids 5 times a week could also be considered a serious tradeskiller. When would they find the time to tradeskill?

                I'm sure that I could be a level 70 with hundreds of AA's and fully keyed if I hadn't spent so much time tradeskilling but for me that would be entirely too boring.

                For me a serious tradeskiller is someone who actively spends a very significant amount of their playing time working on their tradeskills or carrying out tasks that allow them to continue tradeskilling (eg farming). And imho that excludes anyone who has to be at the beck and call of their guild raid leaders.

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                • #9
                  I started this thread because of the reasons Boleslav wrote here. I main issue was the level req. for the new cultural armors. (Thats why sub70 vs. L70)
                  I sense that there are many tradeskillers like me who has no real ambition / are in no hurry to reach L70. I know that ALL the raiding guilds on my server has L70 as req. And yes i am aware that there are some that raids 1-3 times a week, but with all do respect they dont fit the "Raiding Guild" definition. (Not trying to offend anyone)

                  Back to the new cultural, why should we be forced to level to 70 just to be able to do some combines. Is the real reason that SoE wants us to spend more time in the game? (More time exping -> Less TSing -> buy another month subscription ->Finaly time to TS -> more money to SoE)
                  Letting the conspiracy teories running

                  So lets see what the general Tradeskiller is
                  Expert Artisan Secone Iceskimo of Antonius Bayle
                  70 Paladin of Tunare
                  My Complete Tradeskill Guide 3.0
                  (300 Brewer +15%) (300 Jewler+12%) (300 Baker) (300 Potter+12%)
                  (286 Fletcher, Mastery1+8%) (300 Smith, Mastery3+12%) (253 Tailor+8%) (200 Fisher)
                  Salvage3
                  Fumlefingre (286)+8% Tinker
                  Snigemorder (300)+15% Poisonmaker

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                  • #10
                    68 here...family-type guild. We occasionally surprise ourselves with what we CAN accomplish, but we are sub-elemental.

                    I know several people that are 1750 on my server. Of the ones I know, only 1 of them is in it for the tradeskills themselves. The rest did it for AG only. I am sitting at 300 Baking, 289 JC, 250 Brewing, 234 Tailoring, 231 Smithing, 200 Pottery and Fletching.

                    I'd like to be 2100...but I don't have the money to grind it out like raiders do...and AAs for Pottery and Fletching aren't HIGH on the priority list. Although, several people think I've mostly wasted the 12 AAs I've spent on NTCM so far.

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                    • #11
                      Level 67 main in a family guild. We only raid occasionally (2 - 4 times per month). I had planned to get to 68 after I get a few more AAs, but I was in no hurry to get to 70 any year soon.

                      I've been doing tradeskills long before they were a means to a quest for gear like aid grimmel...kind of like the poster above. I can't even do aid grimmel because I don't have the flags required.

                      No I'm not 250 let alone 300 in every skill, but I don't have the money for that nor the time. But I still keep at it and am proud of the gear I've been able to make for myself and friends. I'm also the resident go-to gnome in my guild for tradeskill questions even though I haven't gotten over 200 in all of them yet. So I consider myself a serious tradeskiller.

                      Yeah, the level requirement of 70 to do culteral sucks.


                      Cazic-Thule Server
                      300 Tinker, 300 Potter, 300 Fletcher, 300 Brewer, 279 Tailor, 225 Blacksmith

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                      • #12
                        I'm 66 on my cleric, 65 on the warrior. I do belong to a raiding guild (although we raid 4 nights a week, not 5). However, I don't raid all of those times. My weeknights are pretty much taken up, and the weekend raids, it depends on where they are raiding. I don't have GoD, and they're doing a lot of GoD raids lately, so my raid attendence has been lacking. I kind of come and go on raiding. I'll go a while when I'll attend every raid and then I'll go a while when I don't raid at all. That usually coincides with times when I don't play much either. Right now, most of my play time has been spent making items for the traders and maintaining the traders in the bazaar. *shrugs* I've always been a hot and cold player. You never know when I'll go hot again and be playing non-stop *laughs*.

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                        • #13
                          70, only raid 6 nights a week, full time job, part time school, 1770 and slowly climbing... only complaint about the top end cultural is that its still weak - would love tradeskills to be more a part of the game, like EQ2... but 98% of whats tradeskill made, I have zero use for except as a source of funding for tribute. I'd be all for having some tradeskill combines based on even higher level zones, just so that everyone, even folks in high end raid guilds, can actually use playermade gear... as it stands now, tradeskilling is something I do because I enjoy it, not because I can actually make anything thats useful to me, with the exception of arrows and food/drink. The new level 70 cultural is a start in the right direction..but to be honest, none of it, even fully auged, would be worth considering using for a second.
                          Grishnar Dragonbane - 80 Armorer/Assassin & 400 Transmuter
                          Beldimar - 80 Alchemist & 400 Tinker
                          Gorthag - 80 Sage
                          Bigsmot Thincktanck - 80 Jeweler
                          Beldain Bladeforger - 80 Weaponsmith/ 75 Berserker & 400 Tinker
                          Talmar - 80 Carpenter
                          Beldar - 80 Provisioner
                          Grishnark - 80 Tailor
                          Bellimar - 80 Woodworker

                          Enlightened Dark
                          Unrest

                          Formerly:

                          Gorthag Bashinfletcher
                          Head Ogre Fletcher of Norrath
                          Township Rebellion

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                          • #14
                            I'm a serious tradeskiller. I spend time doing something tradeskill-related almost every single time I log on, whethere it's farming for components, vendor-mining (for more components), searching the bazaar (for yet more components), doing sub-combines to prep for skill-up runs, combining stuff to sell on my trader....etc

                            Yet, I am level 67, I very much plan to reach level 70, and I am in an elemental-level guild that raids a minimum of 3 times a week, usually 4, and sometimes 5. Not that anyone is obliged to attend raids, we don't believe in forcing people to raid...yet we still get good raid attendance, especially now that the holidays are over and the EQ2/Wow fever seems to have subsided.

                            We have quite a few tradeskillers in our guild, most of them 65+.
                            Master Artisan Maevenniia the Springy Sprocket Stockpiler of the really long name
                            Silky Moderator Lady
                            Beneath the silk, lies a will of steel.

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                            • #15
                              That's the crux of the problem.

                              In order to justify better player made items, the drops would have to come from the highest cutting edge content.

                              There would be no way to play a 'tradeskill character' that is able to make the best items in the game without spending the time to get your level and gear in line with the requirements of hunting in the toughest zones.

                              This is already a problem. The existence of New Tannan Crafting Mastery put low level players at a disadvantage. 3 AA doesn't seem like much, but for a player like Angelsyn who is still in her 50s after years of enjoying the game, it is huge.

                              The existence of Mastery AA and Salvage is another huge issue. 3 AA for NTCM wasn't a big deal for me, but 18AA for Blacksmithing Mastery 3 was. Another 15 for Salvage (which is tied to level!) will be huge, and getting to the level that I can even purchase Salvage 3 will be another factor.

                              The rewards for tradeskilling are heavily skewed toward players that gain AA and plat quickly. So for excelling at the normal experience and profit parts of the game you get a huge advantage at tradeskills. Meanwhile, the players most likely to enjoy playing a predominately tradeskills-crafting player can no longer keep at the cutting edge of their tradeskills.

                              Everquest has failed in that sense. Up until recently, players like Angelsyn and me (67, 130 AA) could stay at the cutting edge of smithing, even though we were far from uber. Now, players like Angelsyn are left in the dust when it comes to items with high trivials. Someone who was able to dump 18 AA into a mastery skill is able to get success rates so superior to hers that she cannot possibly compete in an open marketplace.

                              Players like me are scratching and clawing to stay competitive. It will probably take me a couple months to get to 70 so that I can make the best augments. If better items were added with drops from even harder zones, the scale just continues to tip toward the power gamers.

                              I like the balance point that has been arrived at with the quality level of player made gear. The best of it appears to be a notch above the best droppable gear, but still significantly below most raid type no-drop gear. I don't like that in many cases the people who will end up wearing a lot of this gear won't be able to create it due to lack of level or AA.

                              Boleslav Forgehammer
                              Paladin of Brell in his 67th Campaign
                              E'ci – Sacred Destiny

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