trade skill "Grandmaster" pattern book quests

[Maevenniia]

In response to this question by Spikehammer_AB on the EQlive Artisan's forum, about grandmaster troll cultural patten book quest:

So ok where do the troll get their new cultural stuff from like hammer and ore can't find a vendor in foreign quarter at all.
Spent all day soloing the quests upto master lvl and cant use the new skills.

Also seem to be stuck on the grandmaster quest I have to kill 120 lavaspinners and collect 80 Archnid Eye Clusters killed 40 not one drop yet from Lavaspinners Lair or Lavastorm.

the EQ Designer Oshran said:

I can at least answer the second part of your question (For the first part, I defer to Absor, our resident trade skill guru):

For all trade skill "Grandmaster" pattern book quests, the loot items can only be found in the high end mission instances (Although you can still receive kill credit in the task window for fighting in any version of the lavaspinner's lair). To find arachnid eye clusters, I'd suggest grabbing a mission from either Dark Reign or Norrath's Keepers in Lavastorm and venturing into the Lavaspinner's Lair from there. Good luck!



-Oshran

link to eqlive post


oh dear.

Keep it flame-free folks!

[Dyllwin]

All I can do is thank Sony. I was starting to be pulled back into the game after an absence (due to school). This just makes me realize they are up to the same old stuff when it comes to anything about this game (mainly reward the high level large guild folks). It's a shame to see that tradeskills are once again limited only to the most able adventurer's, instead of being open to all.

Time to get back to the books....

[Xulan]

High-end may just mean the lvl 70 missions. You have to be lvl 70 to get the GM book task anyhow. I don't think it will be that bad, though I really don't know. I reserve judgement until I know what "high-end" means.

[calidorn2]

He is right. I do not think tradeskills belong in the realm of the elite players. These drops are pretty much out of reach for the quiet type who just likes to tradeskill and kill a little. They did it with Aid Grimell and here it is again.

I left EQ2 to get away from exactly what they have just introduced to EQ1.

I have deleted 3 paragraphs because I just do not know how to put it into words. Well done once again SoE. Seems all eq1 devs are eq2 wannabees.

[Blayze Meduenin]

yeah i agree and have fed back as much.

If they wanna add a reward for high end players add it as a quest and call it that.

Dont like and say its grandmaster cultural armor, because if a grandmaster cant make it then its not that.

A grandmaster should be able to make grandmaster items, but thats not the case they need to be a lvl 70 adventurer...

totally ridiculous!!

[Ngreth Thergn]

And I also dislike the level limits, and I believe Niami does.

Just look at this, the two most famous names in tradeskills...

Are both locked out of Doing the Master and Grand Master of their own races Cultural.

For me it is... I SUCK at being a healer. Really, horribly suck. So Ngreth is stuck at level 42 Shaman.

And Niami. Well, The community will not allow Niami to play. For whatever reason, the community REFUSES to take "I am busy" as an answer to tells meaning "THAT MEANS YOU, THE PERSON SENDING ME TELLS, YES YOU... I AM BUSY!!!" and they just keep prattling on.... And then get horribly offended if she stops responding. She is stuck at 56 (after being so sick of people not letting her play that she sacrificed herself to a Necromancer from level 61 to 56)

So Yes, SOE's decision here means that the two most famous tradeskillers are not able to... tradeskill.

[Xulan]

I can agree with that, that skills should not be level limited (along with GM aa's, along with salvage as well). My characters lagged others in levels for all expansions up through pop, and was never in a raiding guild, so I remember the feeling well. If you were on our server, I'd group you. You could just be an offensive, dotting shaman =D

That said, I can understand about some items dropping in harder level places, as long as they are not keyed, flagged or level restricted and tradable. The elemental planes bugged me the most, with things dropping that 99% of people going there would not use.

Anyhow, don't want to rant. I do agree that it should all be reviewed. There is hope, with the dropping of the level restrictions for poison, alchemy, tinkering and research is it? Without the Mastery 3 and somewhat with Salvage available though, it's only somewhat of a good change, but a good change none-the-less.

[Sylphan]

I'm trying to see it from the Sony perspective, rather than simply calling for all level limits to be removed. But even with that, I believe anyone who can wear the armor should be allowed to make it (for themselves). A level 56 character, for instance, can wear armor made from the third book, so should be able to do the quest for the third book.

By this reasoning all four of the book quests should be available 5 levels sooner than they are now.

[Ngreth Thergn]

And yes, I am exagerating, but it is what it makes me FEEL.

May not be logical, but there it is.

SOE may have a point with that decision, but I still don't like it.

I am not "quiting" because of it, or anything like that. Just don't like it.

I like the Items themselves, I like the way it progresses, I like the recipies. I even like what you have to get to get it. I don't mind the idea of the tasks for the patterns, I don't like that then it is ND.

It removes the idea of the skilled Adventurer HUnting, then coming back to the Skill Artisan with the part and having something he wants made.

Instead you MUST be both adventurer and Artisan.

SOE must have A reason, and they are welcome to post it here or their own boards, but they do not want adventurers bring to artisans, they want artisan/adventurers. (at least that is what it seems)

And remember, it is my personal opinion, and not a "policy" of EQTraders.

[Tidiath]

Well, the augments for grandmaster is level 70 required I believe, so having the book tasks be lvl 70 required makes sense from that perspective.

I'm not really keen on the level requirements either but I can live with it. What really has me not liking what I have found about these drops is this:

1) In the task window it says Loot 80 of x item from ALL zones. This is inaccurate from the truth; and
2) You need a minimum of 3 people to start a mission to get to these zones. This puts further burden on the casual tradeskiller.

From what I am seeing the general consensus is that the items to collect should not be in minimum number of player, maximum level zones. i completely agree with this and would very much like to see it changed...and after i spent 8 hours in lavaspinners killing 150 spiders. Atleast I can say I have mapped out a zone for the first time!

[Quinnotetiquan]

My only concern is that if the books do decay Ill have to the that crap all over again.

[Ravenswood]

What amazes me is that they're still doing things like this. Pretty much all of the new MMORPGs being released are being engineered to provide legitimate opportunities to the person who prefers tradeskilling more than adventuring (without having to grind exp to the end game). It seems to me that it's in their best interest to stay competitive and enable a similar opportunity in the existing game. Granted, I know that it can be difficult to balance the game when anything is changed or modified, but for godsake, how would reducing the level requirements unbalance anything? I'd much prefer a skill-based requirement, but that of course woudl make far too much sense.

I am still an adventurer at heart, and have plenty of other things to do. However, lately I've been becoming more and more of a tradeskiller (curse you people at EQ Traders! ;P) and am finding that there is an entire game to be played just within the bazaar and the abysmal sea. I've used tradeskills to upgrade several slots that I would not normally have been able to upgrade (aquiring components through a variety of methods including farming for pp, vendor diving, and buy low/sell high). I was really looking forward to upgrading more slots with the GM armor, but it looks like I'll have to keep grinding to 70 to do that. By that time, I may very well have looted better items anyway.

EDIT:

Well, the augments for grandmaster is level 70 required I believe, so having the book tasks be lvl 70 required makes sense from that perspective.

The level requirements to use are 65, but to make, are 70.

My only concern is that if the books do decay Ill have to the that crap all over again.

As I understand it, only the first book (Ancestral) is supposed to decay. Since this only requires four very easy items to replace, it's not an issue.

[elemer]

And I also dislike the level limits, and I believe Niami does.

Just look at this, the two most famous names in tradeskills...

Are both locked out of Doing the Master and Grand Master of their own races Cultural.

For me it is... I SUCK at being a healer. Really, horribly suck. So Ngreth is stuck at level 42 Shaman.

And Niami. Well, The community will not allow Niami to play. For whatever reason, the community REFUSES to take "I am busy" as an answer to tells meaning "THAT MEANS YOU, THE PERSON SENDING ME TELLS, YES YOU... I AM BUSY!!!" and they just keep prattling on.... And then get horribly offended if she stops responding. She is stuck at 56 (after being so sick of people not letting her play that she sacrificed herself to a Necromancer from level 61 to 56)

So Yes, SOE's decision here means that the two most famous tradeskillers are not able to... tradeskill.

Hi Ngreth and Niami,

I hate to say it, but as soon as I saw the name "Absor" associated with the new cultural armor I pretty much guessed it would be a mess. The roll out of the new trade skill containers instantly nerfing all the existing trade skill containers on day one was proof of theory.

If it's any comfort, the entire trade skill community loves you two. (Though I'm sorry to hear about Niami meeting up with that Necro, I'm sure she had just cause).

I'd say you should make it a point to {hug Absor} at the next summit under the assumption your invited, but since they fired the guy that set up the last one, there's been no word on a follow up.

Anyway, you two take care of each other. At the end of the day, it's thier world, but we choose how we play and if we play at all.

[Remi]

For all trade skill "Grandmaster" pattern book quests, the loot items can only be found in the high end mission instances (Although you can still receive kill credit in the task window for fighting in any version of the lavaspinner's lair). To find arachnid eye clusters, I'd suggest grabbing a mission from either Dark Reign or Norrath's Keepers in Lavastorm and venturing into the Lavaspinner's Lair from there.

Oh! This is disappointing.

I've yet to see a mission to the T Isles, and that is the "only" place that I get credit for killing or collecting for the wood elf GM quest. I've been playing WoW during off hours for the questing and soloability of it. This DoN expansion actually had me back playing EQ outside of raiding. With the tasks, one can log on for an hour, get something accomplished and log off. No searching for or waiting on groups. No wasted time for that hour I could log on.

But to have the completion of my GM tradeskill quest be limited to group missions in only one zone, pretty much wipes out any hope I had that I could get this done in less than a year.

This really makes no sense to me to limit the drops to the Mission instances only that require 3 or more people, and not have them in the normal zone.