Heads up on salvage level restrictions

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

I've been eagerly awaiting level 60, so that I could purchase the Salvage AA. At 59, I maxed all the tradeskills and became an Expert Artisan, and other than the various skill masteries, salvage looked like the most valuable purchase I could make in order to have a better chance of "not wasting" nice things like augments my friends and guildies ask me to make (I'm not an enchanter so the JCM3 is not a possibility).

So... a few days ago I hit 60 and spent 5 AA's. Salvaged the fine hydroabrasive on a brilliant cut augment the first failure. Didn't salvage anything on the next 3 failures, and had no successes.

Still, I was happy, and happily looking forward to the next level especially when I saw that it also cost only 5 AA's.

Tonight though, I looked a bit closer. In spite of the fact that the description of the AA says nothing about a level restriction, there is one, for each level of salvage purchased. I can't buy Salvage 2 until I hit 65. I spent months in 59 - I'm a tradeskiller, not an experience junky, and my game is a liesurely one. From posts in another thread, Salvage 3 cannot be obtained until level 70.

While I can understand that the developers don't want folks getting anything "easy," I think it's patently unfair to stealth something like the simple FACT these AA's are tied to levels. The earlier AA's in other expansions at least told one what to expect, such as being able to purchase one level of a certain ability at certain experience levels.

I feel betrayed. And I felt others here in similar situations should be warned that Salvage, at least, IS tied to leveling, whether we like it or not.

Kemie Dreamshadow, Lanys T'Vyl, Expert Artisan

[tnexus]

These have always had level restrictions, and while it does not necessarily make sense, they always put level restrictions on most of the AAs from new expansions. Plus, you're the minority. Almost everyone else will get levels before they get tradeskills AAs so most people could care less. I'm betting it also has to do with the flow of currency in the market somehow. Unfortunately, you just happen to fall in that 1%. I'm not trying to come down on you in any way, but that's how it's been and that's probably how will always be. I also noticed you're level 61 in another post, so obviously getting levels hasn't been that hard for you.

Tnexus

[Dunthor Warsmith]

I also noticed you're level 61 in another post, so obviously getting levels hasn't been that hard for you.

60-61 is still the "half-level", requiring about half the xp that 59 did. Dinging 61 is by far the easiest level in that range - getting to 62, muchless 70, is a much more difficult task.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

60-61 is still the "half-level", requiring about half the xp that 59 did. Dinging 61 is by far the easiest level in that range - getting to 62, muchless 70, is a much more difficult task.

Too true. I was 59 forever, in fact about 80% of the level was earned at 80%AA and only 20% regular exp... those AA's to get my 1750 were what drove me. Finally I got so close to 60 my guildies pushed and pushed, and I knew I could get salvage at 60 so I was persuaded. Then once I hit 60, well if you die then you lose at least 19% unrezzed, and for some reason 60 flies by (especially compared to 59). So I followed their advice and went along with them to PoV and voila, 61. Now my experience is set once more at 80%AA.

The point I was trying to make above was not about levels though. It was about the fact that on the description of the Salvage AA, if you are looking at it for the first time, NOTHING is said beyond "Required level 60" blah blah blah. It does not, as do earlier PoP abilities, say you may train one level at 60, one at 65, and one at 70. You don't find out you can't train the second level until 65 until after you have trained the first one. And nowhere here on this board, where salvage was discussed, had I seen that mentioned, or if it was I overlooked it.

This character was born in February 2001. And she's been my main since about August 2001. I wasn't kidding when I said I level slowly....

Kemie Dreamshadow, Lanys T'Vyl

[Sanadila]

*cries* My primary tradeskiller is 55. She's never gonna get beyond the first level of salvage!

[Akishka]

And nowhere here on this board, where salvage was discussed, had I seen that mentioned, or if it was I overlooked it.

It is mentioned somewhere. I don't know where but I remember others being upset when finding this out. But its good to get the word out

[Verdandi]

Send /feedback. Tell your friends and guildies to /feedback. If nothing happens after a while, /feedback again. /feedback is your friend. You have to show that enough people care now and will continue to care to make it worth changing. Explain your reasoning too, that you've always been a devoted tradeskiller and enjoy that much more than exp hunting, and that this will prevent you from enjoying what appeals to you most, etc....

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

Actually, the more I think about this, the more I am convinced that the concept of salvage as applied by the devs is all wrong.

Level should have nothing to do with it (although I will admit a level such as 60 to "achieve" the ability may not be out of line.)

However, SKILL should determine the ability to salvage, not experience. I can understand they don't want a level one character to have all the perks. But neither should a level 70 who has never done a day of tradeskilling in his life and just now purchased the AA's be able not only to skill up but also be rewarded by returned materials from level one of ability onward.

It would be far more appropriate to tie such an AA to the tradeskills, as the titles are. If you qualify as "Expert Artisan" by level 60, you should be allowed to purchase all 3 levels of salvage.

If you qualify as an Expert Blacksmith, and are level 60, you should be allowed to purchase at least one level of salvage, but that ability should only work for the tradeskill you have mastered.

/shrug

Kemie Dreamshadow

[Aavar]

It gets worse you need to be level 70 to get salvage level 3

[Itek]

It gets worse you need to be level 70 to get salvage level 3

Odd you mentioning that... I thought I'd heard it somewhere before...

**Itek scrolls back to the original post in the thread.**

From posts in another thread, Salvage 3 cannot be obtained until level 70.

Ahh... knew that sounded familiar...

The honest answer is that the SOE devs did it their way. As pointed out much earlier in the thread they CANNOT please everyone. Do I personally think Salvage should be level restricted? Not really. But on the other hand they might have a good reason to force the "I tradeskill I don't level/grind/raid" population to go out and grind/group/raid. (Perhaps the grind/raid population has taken a hit recently? Nah.)

Feedback is your best, and really ONLY, option. I'd say you might as well holler down a well with your wish... but then again they DID roll back the prices of several AAs recently so it's possible.

For the "I'll never get there" crowd....

TheWife complained nearly every week that she would NEVER finish her Druid Epic. From the summer of 2000 until the summer of 2004 she never stopped telling me "I guess the only way I'll ever get my epic is if they hand me one so I'll log off to let them turn the servers off."

She has her Epic. Now she's almost done with the shawls. And she (and I must admit I also) complain that she'll NEVER finish Epic 1.5 let alone 2.0

Ok, it took us 4 years to get thru Kunark content. And longer to get thru Velious. I'm 2 shards, the Srra insignia, the frame, rift and Luclanite away from VT key. I have 2 real PoP flags, plus the Hedge maze and factory key. TheWife still doesn't have a Sebilis key. We have put off the purchase of more expansions till we get closer to needing the content.

But we both have our Epics. We will, soon pray Bright Lord Agnostic, both have the 8th shawl. It just takes us longer. She's level 55 and leveling fast (she's earned nearly half the level in the last 2 months.) and I'm holding at level 65 with 41 aa points. (Pointless to level up and get flags if I'm only going to need to repeat them when she does them.)

It's a game. You can compare yourself to others. (You will lose.) Or you can compare yesterdays character with todays. (I used to wear an oracle robe. And I mean in 2002. My Shiny Metallic Robe was an achievment.)

Plus let's give EQ-2 (and, dare I say it? no better not) about 6 months to get a feel for how it will impact the population. Hopefully the live team will re-tune when they have a good grasp on it.

[Kemie Dreamshadow]

TheWife complained nearly every week that she would NEVER finish her Druid Epic.

I finished my epic finally, this summer, as well (at level 59).

Supposedly the devs have been paying more attention to the tradeskill community. It has long been a complaint of many of us that "content" was lacking for the casual players who tend to tradeskill because we're hooked and play a more liesurely game - supposedly some of the changes over the past year have been in response to that. Face it, WE are still playing, and still finding value in the game, while those who leveled fast and complained are long gone. The bottom line is that WE are the steady customers who keep coming back and footing the bill, rather than the "flash in the pan" type.

I have it... When they get around to making the long requested "Super Tradeskill Trophy," they can put Salvage 4 on it as the effect.

Kemie Dreamshadow, Lanys

[tomojo]

I have it... When they get around to making the long requested "Super Tradeskill Trophy," they can put Salvage 4 on it as the effect.

That would be nice overly

But that just won't happen.
To be able to by-pass all the AA's long before hitting level 70......

But even a Salvage +1 that would add 1 to the Salvage level would be useful for any level that could attain the 1750 club and get the "Super Tradeskill Trophy".... (ie. trophy + no Salvage AA's = Salvage 1, up to trophy + 3 Salvage AA's = Salvage 4)

[Ozmandias]

Salvage was one of the reasons I purchased OOW. I can understand your confusion with the skill set requirements - it took me a few hours of searching on this board to find the level requirements needed. As I like to plan in advance, I checked to be sure I could get what I wanted on dinging of 66. Unfortunately, as stated, you can try feedback to get it changed. Would love it to be...salvage2 already is incredible!