Are you a "Grandmaster" at 200 or 250 Skill?

[Qilue Shar'Molo]

I am just not sure... Some say 200 others say 250... I just want to know from a good source (Niami herself perhaps )

[Lickity]

When most players are looking for a "GM" (Grandmaster) of a tradeskill, they expect you to have 250 skill when you reply to them. Also, the way the tradeskilling trophies work, they are EXTREMELY difficult to make w/o 250 skill (and still difficult then.) These trophies are called Grandmaster trophies. As such, i would imagine that by this and most definitions, GM, Grandmaster, etc is defined as someone with 250 skill, but you can probably fudge it if you can manage 250 skill with a +% skill mod item =)

[Kieroth_whiteleaf]

I've always thought that crossing the 200 line was counted. The person who told me that said you can only go over 200 in one, so that's where the line is.

But most people use 250 as the GM line.

SFG

[Turlo Lomon]

I consider 0-100 apprenticeship, 101-200 the master levels, with 200 being master, 201-250 the grandmaster levels, with 250 being a true grandmaster. My clients know me by reputation, and that is the most important part of being a grandmaster.

[Qilue Shar'Molo]

Well, I think they need to make the Level skill titles better for the tradeskills...

I think I am going to say

Grandmaster Jeweler(Trophy) Grandmaster Brewer, Fletcher, Baker for ease..

[xaanru]

According to EQ, you are a master at 101. IMHO Grandmaster should be reserved for the highest skill level. As such, if you'll notice my sig, my smithing is 250, and so I claim GM status, whereas I only say Master for tailoring, which is 248.

Update, ding 250 tailoring, so calling myself GM there also.

[Bebinn]

I didn't count myself a GM brewer until I got my trophy.

[Ngreth Thergn]

There is no "official" statement anywhere about what grandmaster is. We only have personal oppinoin here :/ Mine is 250, but that is MY opinion

[Serenya]

I still consider 200 skill a 'grandmaster' because 1) that's the 'decision point' and 2) at one point it was the max possible skill, which is when I mentally labeled it grandmaster. /shrug It's an individual opinion. I've noticed shouts/oocs for masters and grandmasters tend not to know (or care) skill level anyway -- if it's an item that doesn't trivial they will want to you to have the max effective skill, but otherwise they simply want it to be trivial.

[Lickity]

I liked the idea of Grandmaster meaning no one can be higher than you. However...that doesn't really apply in game, as all the GM Class Leaders in PoK don't even have their highest class titles =/

[Aalar]

I consider GM to be 252, with a mod of some type. So actual skill level could be 240+.

People will ask for a GM xtradeskill to combine xitem for them. They do NOT want a person who is at skill 200 - especially when attempting a 335 trivial combine. They want, and expect, a person with at least 250 skill.

Aalar

[Zdapus]

I agree that once you can obtain 252 skill then you are the best you can be in terms of successfully completing combines and are a GM in that craft. To reach the skill level of 252 you must use at least a geerlok even if you have maxed out the skill at 250.

Some one with the raw skill of 220 and a 15% mod is just as capable of success as a person with 250 and a geerlok and should also be considered a GM.

Trophies have absolutely no bearing on your capablilies any more than a geerlok does.

Trophies only benifit the user in terms of skilling up if you dont wait till your maxed out skill wise before you make them.

Telling somene you have a trophy before making a combine with customer supplied components only indicates you are most likely have at least a raw skill level higher than 200.

When a customer asks for a GM they want/need someone who can obtain 252 by what ever means is available to them.

[Bemidian]

252 no matter how you achieve it

[Niami DenMother]

Heh, no matter how you define it, someone will have a differing opinion, partly due to how the naming is done in-game, and partly due to the fact that for quite a long time, you could not break the 200+ barrier. Add to that the fact that some skills don't go all the way to 250 (like spell research, alchemy), and giving a hard number that applies to all tradeskills is impossible.

*Most* people use it to refer to the max possible points in that skill, when they're looking for a GM-somethingorother. Personally, I consider my boatload of GM skills to be GM when they hit max, totally ignoring skill mods. My shammie has 198 alchemy because I've not touched her in months, really. Yes, she has her trophy, no I don't count her GM until she gets those final 2 points ... but that's me. That doesn't make it automagically so in the minds of the general public.

[Dumpty]

220, just ask Aid Grimel