Anti-fail on trivial combines code OR bug

[tindiyen]

I noticed today that while making small jars and firing them for innovative grease I never failed a combine. I did about 80 of these jars with a 241 skill in pottery. I noticed the following on a couple of occasions when I clicked the combine button:

I recieved the you have created a new item text
My items were NOT consumed
No new item was created
The trivial message was NOT given.

It appeared like I failed the combine but I was basically given a do over.
Once I noticed it happen the first time or so I watched carefully this happened on both making the jars (triv 31) and firing them (triv 15?). To further investigate I did a a stack of star ruby steins since I had the clay hanging around. I did not notice the same thing happen and failed as I normally do.

Could this be the no fail on trivial combines we have been asking for so long??
Did I miss an important patch msg? I dont think this is a bug but it could be.
Sorry I dont have more data but I think what I have was fairly conclusive.

Tindiyen
Sol Ro
Empyreal

[cattywumpus]

Sounds like a bug to me. I thought the no fails if trivial was 200 points below skill was already implemented.

I did 400 heady kiolas a while back without a single failure at 250 skill. Never had a failure message at all.

Rarely it seemed to take an extra second to put the finished item on my cursor which I took for the no-fail kicking in but it may have just been lag.

[KyrosKrane]

From what I can recall, we now have a reduced failure rate on highly-trivial items. For every 50 skill points you have over the item trivial, your chance to fail is reduced by 25%. So, if your skill is 200 or more over the trivial, the combine is no-fail for you. This has been in the game for a while now, ever since the infamous "grandmasters can fail to slice a cake" discussion a few Fan Faires ago.

I recieved the you have created a new item text
My items were NOT consumed
No new item was created
The trivial message was NOT given.

This specifically sounds like a bug. My guess is that either you somehow managed to click too fast (there's normally a 3-second delay before the combine button refreshes) or else something is wonky with the fail code on highly trivial items.

If you can reproduce the messages, /report them and file a /bug report pointing to your report. That should give the devs something to work with.

Another possibility. When you make combine two clockwork grease in a jar to produce a Jar of Clockwork Grease, the combine is a non-tradeskill combine. It consumes the two grease and the jar and returns the Jar of Clockwork Grease, but you don't get a trivial message. Is it possible you were seeing that message and confusing it with the combines for the small jar itself?

[tindiyen]

Yea im sure it was doing it for the pottery combines once I caught it I was watching closely. Also im not so sure on the timing issue thought maybe ill experiment more tomorrow if I have time. I must have somehow missed the reduced trivial stuff I recall a great deal of discussion on it and then it just kinda died off.

Tind

[Ngreth Thergn]

I would check the timing thing. There is a max speed for tradeskills (meant to make macroers time harder) and sometimes the button will refresh before you are allowed to do another combine.

[mikebridge]

i blame lag.

[splunge]

Ever see the 'You must wait before you can forage again' message?

Im betting its along the same lines as that, what Ngreth said.

[Tweedledea]

I read about the implementation of a greatly increased success rate for very trivial combines, but I don't remember anything about no-fail combines. Can anyone point me towards some evidence? Call me sceptical, but I need hard facts.

[KyrosKrane]

Tanker told us about it at the Fan Faire. It's buried down in one of the threads, not in one of the main topic summaries. Let me see if I can find it ...

Ah, here it is, buried in a thread.
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...836#post118388

[Yitara]

Well, I have yet to see a reduction in failures on trivial items, maybe I just don't make enough metal bits. I do know I spent many, many hours farming sea horse roe in Eurid's Crossing (so boring) and with a 252 in brewing I failed three times on making 40 tempers (121 trivia). I then went through all of my spell research components that I have collected over the course of the last month. Somehow I failed the one combine where I ventured to buy a Yaeth Component for 500 plat (210 skill, 180 trivial point). /e sigh. Not my day I guess.

[KyrosKrane]

Note that the no-fail part only kicks in if you are 200 points above the trivial. If it's less than 200, you just have a reduced chance of failing, but you can still fail.

[Ngreth Thergn]

and since you can still fail... the RNG can bite you in the butt like Ngreth!

[ancarett]

Ouch! That's one serious bite to worry about!

I'm doing a bunch of brewing combines today: I'll throw in a batch of low level trivials at my fastest pace to see if anything interesting happens with the messages.

[Zolina]

I remember when I recently failed to make salad dressing, combining vegetable oil and vinegar in a mixing bowl. Since I lost both components, I imagine I spilled the vegetable oil on the floor and slipped on it, knocking the vinegar over in the process.

[Tweedledea]

Yes... combining oil and vinegar is a really tricky thing to do.