Grand Master Tradeskiller in all 7 skills

[Taraddar]

Re: Hmmm just wanted to know who else is out there..)

Hello all,

Well there are no bad tradeskillers besides those which charge for failed combines which I really think is a rip off ! No honest tradeskiller does that...... other than that its just different strategies to succeed...)

I have to disagree with that completely be if I had some form of control over the situation I could agree but I don't. I'm hitting combine and what ever happens is up to the gods of rand at verant. If you want an item I'll sell you the item. If you want a combine I'll do a combine but your paying for the combine. If anything good comes out of the combine is a matter of luck and how much verant likes you or hates you today.

[Shjinn]

Ignorant

Xekl wrote:
Come on guys, cripes. My reference is strictly to the skills that require you to go out and collect as opposed to just buying everything in bazaar and clicking combine.

And all his other posts are just ignorant comments, in my opinion. Perhaps he is jealous of people having more recipes now. Great. be proud of your own achievements, but don't downplay the new ones who are working hard to skillup also.

I would call myself a complete moron is I farmed all my silks myself for all the Solstice Combines. I woudl call myself stupider than dirt if I killed mobs to get spell components to combine for Celestrial Essence instead of buying Scent of Marr from vendor.

A little basic math here. It takes maybe 1 hour to get 100 Spider silks from EK, for example. 100 Spider Silks in Bazaar may go for 300pp to 600pp.

Now tell me if I'm wrong, but making say 450pp an hour for a lev 60 druid is absolutely pathetic if you are trying to make money only.

So please dont' tell me I'm not a true tradeskiller by not farming my own components. You are being ignorant of EQ dynamics (yes, one aspect of dynamic means thing change constantly) and asking me to be a complete idiot and lower my efficieny by many notches and basically telling me I should waste my time so that I suffer like you did, IF I want to be "true tradeskiller".

Oh well.

I guess I'll be a fake tailor from now on. And if anyone buys anything from Bazaar that can be farmed, you are fake also (sorry smiths. Hunt your own rare components like Windstone, Essences (various), blood (various), etc.) If you don't and buy from Bazaar, you are a fake like the rest of us.

Shjinn
FAKE tailor of Saryrn,
Not even going to show my skill since it was faked with no effort at all.

[Nyteshadow]

LOL

The ragin debate in here is hilarious, I spent 1.2 million plat making 250 tailoring, which was my first, which I worked my lil blue tail off to do... so now I had plat to work with on the others... still took alot of fortitude, buying, bargaining, and farming to get it all done

And there are ALL 7 done now


Whoot!

[Zzazeron]

Add me to the 1750 club


Zzazeron <Magister>
[Human] Cleric, EMarr

[Xiggi]

You guys are hilarious

Just read this thread:

I think that you are a bit too tough on poor Xekl. I happened to know him well and know that is and has been a great asset to the Tradeskillers' community. He has contributed massively by writing spoilers and guides well before people started selling them. For sure, he does not deserve the criticisms posted in the thread.

What is wrong of he takes pride in working on his skills the hard way? What is wrong with the fact that he seems to think that people leveling in the Bazaar are cheapening the skills?

You may not agree with him but I know that he follows to a letter what he preaches. I have seen people leapfrogging Xekl to 250 tailoring by simply sitting in Gfay and then into the bazaar and bidding up the wares. I never had problems with people buying stuff but one has to admit that there are some limits. All in all, it DOES cheapens the skills to make 250 when it gets too easy or is only a matter of opening a wallet. I know because I have done it I raised 2 skills from mid-180 to 250 and never left the Bazaar and Shadowhaven. Did I enjoy getting to the pinnacle...Yes. Was I proud of the achievement? NO, not at all.

In the end, it made me realize that the fun was in getting there and not rushing to 250. I know I had a lot more pride when I made 250 on two different characters when almost nobody else had it. I was proud because it entailed discovering recipes and working hard to get there.

And maybe, that is what Xekl was trying to say.

/Peace

[galerian]

Don't see Physt on the list anywhere.
He's a gnome necromancer on the Karana server.
2000 tradeskiller (250 tinkering also)
Also maxxed on spell research and fishing.
Is his 2000 a first? Or an only?
Doesn't really matter, hehe, it's still an awesome achievement.
Super nice guy also, proud to be guilded with him.

[Hethral]

Anyone who thinks that a huge budget makes all of these skills trivial never worked on them before the bazaar was available to buy components in. Even the bazaar doesn't help that much when you need 5000 of an item and only 20 are being sold.

Found the forge in freeport in dec 99, been hooked since. And was it really that long ago the cultural forges went in, didn't seem that long.

[Woodeckt]

I can Stand up and agree. (Short Hobbit here)

Anyone who thinks that a huge budget makes all of these skills trivial never worked on them before the bazaar was available to buy components in. Even the bazaar doesn't help that much when you need 5000 of an item and only 20 are being sold.

I do buy quite a few of my components for trades.

1st I am the highest level toon in my guild and 54 is not high

2nd My wife also does trades and even if I did farm our components I could not gather enough for both of us.

3rd Having an unlimited Platnium supply is not the end all it just takes some of the pain out of skilling. (there are times like now when between the both of us we have 1kpp and that is 8 toons total between us)

We skill for fun and to break up the xp grind.

[Lilosh]

1st I am the highest level toon in my guild and 54 is not high

I must disagree. At 54, with AA points, you are in the high end game. Maybe not the END GAME of tier 4 planes, but at 54, with access to all but your class AA's, and a fair number of spells, then you are in the high end.


At level 35-40, I am in the midgame. Not you. <grin>



-Lilosh

At level 35-40, I am in the midgame. Not you. <grin>

I have guildies that have gone from 1-60 in 3 months...

A good friend twinked a new alt and made 50 in 2 months...

For you and I maybe 35-40 is mid game, but as far as abilities, a 54 is hardly mid game.

Just think of the guy level 65 with 400 AA's, a 54 is a Newb to them.

Oh, and isn't class AA 55?

[Hethral]

Class AA is 59.

I personally see myself as a mid range player, I'm at 62nd with about a dozen AA now, and another couple characters in the 50+ range. It may seem high at first, but I'm still two expansions behind on getting through all the content, and most of my friends have multiple 65th level characters with 100+ AA on them.

[Halyburton]

Maybe I'm being stupid about it but cripes, if you claim to be xxx skill in a certain trade, you really need to know that trade, including where to find material and what it takes to hunt that material. People who go out and collect their own stuff are the ones to be truely congradulated. They are the real tradeskillers. Not some bonehead with a big pocketbook.

I tend to agree on this point. I have been working tradeskills nigh on close to a month now and doing xp every so often or go with my guild on a raid. And in all that time I've maybe gotten one yellow bub into level 51 when I first started seriously working trade skills. heheh I've been concentrating mainly on the main trade skills and not really bothering with my Alchemy since I hit 47 in that skill. Kinda weak for a shammy huh?

Regardless actually hunting up the items for yourself is quite an endeavor considering that a lot of the items for some of the recipies may/may not be easy to obtain. Admittedly i have done the bazaar thing looking for stuff that i knew I was way too low to go into a zone for (read lazy) but that was only every so often when I needed something that would yield a multiple batch per success (ie eggs for the dough in baking) and very so often discovering that in order for you to be able to up your skill in one tradeskill requires that you have the choice of paying someone else to make up a batch of some component or in my case work that trade skill to be able to get that one component needed. furstrating as ll get out but quite satisfactory in the end when you have actually worked a trade skill that requires the use of other tradeskills to trivial on whatever you were skilling up on.

[Lilosh]

For you and I maybe 35-40 is mid game, but as far as abilities, a 54 is hardly mid game.

Just think of the guy level 65 with 400 AA's, a 54 is a Newb to them.

Oh, and isn't class AA 55?

With all due respect, just because a 100 year old man looks at his 90 year old kid brother as a Youngin, that doesnt mean the 90 year old is young.

Saying that someone is Young because someone who can not possibly get any higher in the game is Bigger then they are is a fallacy.

I have 53 levels of people who might think that Woodekt is high level, compared with 12 levels of people who snicker and say "I've got higher".

The fact that your level is 85% of the maximum may indicate that you are, in fact, at the high end of the game. The fact that someone with access to a level 65 enchanter , level 65 druid, and Karana knows what else can spend 10k and a few days to get a twink to level 50 doesnt make that a trivial accomplishment.

Level 54 is high level. You have a spiffy class title, possibly a spiffy AA title, 3-4 categories of AA abilities, and access to a variety of planes. That is high level.


-Lilosh

Lilosh,

I don't think you quite comprehend the vast difference between 54 and 65 in this game.

You're not 85% of their skill effectiveness... you're lucky if you are 30% of their effectiveness. My DPS for my Monk is laughable compared to a lvl 60 (at 52), let alone one of 65 with even a few AA's and an EPIC. The spells at 54 don't even break wind compared to lvl 60+ spells etc.

Keep in mind, an AA is equal to an entire level at level 50, and the higher levels go a whole heck of a lot slower.

So time played at 65 is well over double time played/mobs killed at 54 even not taking into consideration all of those AA's.

Granted as a newbie lvl 52 monk and lvl 45 wizard, I am too low to understand the difference all that well myself. Just played with enough high level friends to notice that I don't dream of being near them for quite some time yet.

[Lilosh]

So everything below 50 is HAHAH LOWBIE OMG WTF?


If 56 or 62 is "Mid-game", then I may as well hang up my hat now.


Thats both insane and ludicrous.


Which is not to say that it is not the case. But if it is the case, then it's absurd.


Levelling to 51 in vein,
-Lilosh