Grand Master Tradeskiller in all 7 skills

[Khoren Stonefall]

Don't worry--foxes don't eat grapes anyway.

[Oaklanbash]

LOL Xexl,
He would have done it with ease even with out my help. I had those 400 wyvern hides and velium studs sitting in my bank for over a year. I was only 181 tailoring at the time, and he gave me a whole boatload of solistice robe and acrylia ore combines so that I could get my tailoring over 190.

So don't try to belittle his accomplishment

[Shaman Arriana]

But when everything gets dropped in your lap, it dimishes the achievement.

Oh please. Shut up.

[Molasar]

I didnt you know read boards oak .

Truth be told, i gave oak a bunch of acrylia and robe combine swatches in exchange for all the furs and ore. I ended up giving him most of the stuff back since i was already 225 tailoring and it was gettign expensive to skill up on robes when i had 120 robes on 2 diff mules already. I spent 2-3 hours every morn fishing in CS and i spent 2 days almost 5 hours each day with 70 Damage shield and AE loaded with hammer and run top of CC to bottom and wipe out 50 orcs for ore. Never killed a wyvern once though. Would of made 250 tailoring easy off robes alone, but since he could fail on robes and not eat up gems and skill up at 180 and i could skill up on hides easier... we switched materials and ya gotta love friends like that!

Molasar The Artisan
Stormhammer,
Lvl 65 cleric of brell.
knowledge is power,
and with power comes
great responsability.
209 AA and counting.
250 All tradeskills

[Xekl]

Sorry man, please accept my apology.

I know some tailors who have no clue where velium ore drops or what zone to find panther skins. It just irks me. Before the bazaar opened up people would sit in gfay all day long pressing a macro for over 20 hours straight without ever leaving the zone. These are the kinds of tradeskillers I have little respect for. Maybe I'm being stupid about it but cripes, if you claim to be xxx skill in a certain trade, you really need to know that trade, including where to find material and what it takes to hunt that material. People who go out and collect their own stuff are the ones to be truely congradulated. They are the real tradeskillers. Not some bonehead with a big pocketbook.

[Khoren Stonefall]

There are thousands of "boneheads with big pocketbooks" in EQ, and four 1750 tradeskillers. Apparently it's not so easy as you make it out to be. Yep, I spent 700k getting my last six skills from 200 to 250 (12 days after PoP came out), but I was one of those people who was a 200 human tailor before luclin recipes came around, and a grandmaster smith before the post-BD-recipe smithing fad hit, and a baker who used to argue for dragon meat. I was organizedly exterminating othmir before 99% of people even knew they dropped pelts. In August of 1999 I was killing wisps to be able to afford my fletching habit. I don't feel terribly guilty that by being far ahead of the curve, I actually succeeded at making a lot of platinum at this stuff. My high end tradeskilling was funded by my success at... tradeskilling!... And it was facilitated by my savvy at putting together effective component-gathering networks, which is something I've been doing, literally, for years before the Bazaar came along.

It just irks me...These are the kinds of tradeskillers I have little respect for...Maybe I'm being stupid about it...if you claim to be xxx skill in a certain trade, you really need to know that trade...People who go out and collect their own stuff are...the real tradeskillers. Not some bonehead with a big pocketbook.

Okay. Clearly a reality check is needed, because you really don't seem to understand what goes into to achieving what you're trying to cut down here. I'm usually pretty modest about these things, but IMO, the "real tradeskillers" are the ones who have been in since the beginning, remember exactly what happened on September 19th 2000 (and are still perplexed about the int/wis confusion that flise around over two years later), can craft anything they want because they have the skill to do it, and spent all their time bettering themselves rather than making sour grapes out of those who did well before them.

If your only interest is in making tradeskilling senselessly difficult for yourself, you should not come to EQTraders. There are spoilers here. Look for the recipe books in game.

[Lilosh]

People who go out and collect their own stuff are the ones to be truely congradulated. They are the real tradeskillers. Not some bonehead with a big pocketbook.

Oh come now....

If I am a master chef, does it matter that I didnt rend the Cow Limb from Lib for the beef myself?

In EQ terms, a "real" smith should go out and farm rusty weapons, sharpen them, and then melt them down to ore to get his way to banded, or embroidering nedles?

Buying items from other people is a part of tradeskills. Whether it is from Vendors, or from other players. Sure, farming is usually, if not always required. But they dont call the skill "Farming", The measure of your ability is *NOT* how fast you can kill green mobs.

Its how good you are with that combine button. How well you can make armor, weapons, food, drinks, idols, bows, or shiny things.


-Lilosh

[Xekl]

Come on guys, cripes. My reference is strictly to the skills that require you to go out and collect as opposed to just buying everything in bazaar and clicking combine.

If I am a master chef, does it matter that I didnt rend the Cow Limb from Lib for the beef myself?

Get a grip dude. Wasn't refering to bakers. Some skills you have to buy and combine, like jewelcraft, pottery, brewing, lots of baking, etc. But when I see someone say they had tons of tailoring combines dropped in their lap it kinda gets me. And yes, I did misunderstand what was going on and I did apologize.

There are thousands of "boneheads with big pocketbooks" in EQ

No. There are thousands of boneheads in EQ. There are thousands with big pocketbooks in EQ. But there are not thousands of boneheads with big pocketbooks in EQ. Big pocketbooks are required for mastering skills to 250, that's a given. Read into it. Bonehead, referring to someone who knows jack about the skill. Are you saying you're a bonehead? Think about it, geeze. If someone tells you, "hah, tailoring is easy! I don't know why you people say it's so hard. I went from 0 to 250 tailoring in 2 days. It's so so easy!" Would you congradulate them or think, geeze, where'd he get all the stuff to combine? Especially after it took you well over a year?

Just fyi, I was probably the first master tailor on ANY server. It was fun learning the skill when there were absolutly zero guides or websites stating what to combine for what skill, because the trivials were not even known. (No I cannot prove I was THE first, just saying PROBABLY the first; please don't misinterpret what I'm saying).

[sir0die]

Its how good you are with that combine button. How well you can make armor, weapons, food, drinks, idols, bows, or shiny things.


-Lilosh

I think it also has to do with ingedient recognition, to be able to kill something and say, "hey, i can use that to make _____(insert item here)." or "i can use that for ___(insert specific tradeskill here)."

[Yalum]

the "real tradeskillers" are the ones who have been in since the beginning, remember exactly what happened on September 19th 2000

That's when they added cultural forges! And possibly some other stuff not quite so important, but the (still unused) cultural forge in Ak'anon ate my rusty rapier when I tried to sharpen it! I spent weeks looking for the "sharpening kit" mentioned in the Primus Kunark guidebook after that. :P

[Draggar]

Come on guys, cripes. My reference is strictly to the skills that require you to go out and collect as opposed to just buying everything in bazaar and clicking combine.

So then what are people supposed to do with the acrylia ore they get if they have no intention of working on smithing? Sell it for a few gold at most, destroy it?

People who go to the bazaar and buy equipment to work on tradeskills (/e raises hand - guilty!) help out lower levels get some money so they can get their own skills up.

Its a cycle. I go to WK and kill some spiderlings, then move over to EK and kill cats for the HQ/MQ pelts. Make paddings, and sell them for 12.5PP each. I in return, use that money to purchase poisonmaking materials at the bazaar.
Does that make me any less of a poison-maker? Does that make the smiths who buy my leather paddings any less of a smith?

Now, also, my fletching is getting up there. So does that make me any less of a fletcher if I buy bricks of condensed substances or the condensed substance arrowheads? I'd most likely get smeared if I tried to farm those myself...

Sony strongly supported the idea of a player based economy. The foundation of that economy is supply and demand. High level players don't want to go out and farm cats, wolves, and bears for the quality pelts, then kill hundereds or thousands of spiderlings to get those leather paddings (and I can see the cries of the lower levels ifthis happens). So, the higher level pays for the supplies, and hands down his money to someone who could use it(or else they wouldn't be selling it at the bazaar).

I personaly have nothing against buying tradeskill supplies at the bazaar, it helps out the economy on the game, and it also makes (much) higher level items more readily available.

[Lilosh]

I think it also has to do with ingedient recognition, to be able to kill something and say, "hey, i can use that to make _____(insert item here)." or "i can use that for ___(insert specific tradeskill here)."

You will find no argument here.


-Lilosh

[Kellan]

Choose

How would you feel if I brought my L62 ranger into the Karana or Ro and killed spiders every waking moment for weeks in order to get the 10000 spider silks my cleric needs to make the 3000+ solstice robe attempts to get tailoring from 188 to 250? What you would see is lots of lower-level people upset that they could not exp on those mobs while I was slaughtering them, plus my guild would be upset I was skipping raids for a month as well. But when I sell a single drop from a mob in Thunder to a player who cannot access that zone for the cash to buy those silks from the players who are getting exp on the spiders, everyone is happy. I still know that I need spider silks to make the solstice robes, so I am no less of a tailor because I bought the silk rather than farm it... and I have in the process made several players richer and/or happier in doing so. This is the best way to go about things, not having high-level players farming green mobs away from newer players.

You know you can make a fortune (in "newb" terms) by just making celestial essence and selling it in the bazaar while you sleep or work? Or an enchanter selling magic clay at L8 can get "rich" for a L8 (I happily paid 30gp each for clay that cost him 1.5gp from the NPC after he enchanted it so that I could finish my pottery.). This is what the economy is all about, and using it prevent both green-farming complaints and begging.

[Emelyn]

In August of 1999 I was killing wisps to be able to afford my fletching habit.

Oh my, does this bring back memories.

One thing to consider is that pre-PoP a lot of the tradeskill diehards already had multiple GM crafters - just on separate characters. Someone who GMed smithing and tailoring on two separate characters may not be in an all out rush to do it again just to be able to say they did it on one character.

But for those who did it, or are working towards it, I think its great!

[Perl]

Hmmm just wanted to know who else is out there..)

Hello all,

it is very astonishing how my simple questions turned into rants about money wielding tradeskillers. Interesting !

Well I always say that money is a proove of being very good in a certain aspect (of course being good in others might not be valued in hard currency..)....).

So if someone has lots of money he is good in tradeskills, killing mobs, trading, /shrug stealing (there are rougues out there..)...) or just good in having friends (those who nicely help out by giving away tons of furs).

The point I want to make is that it will get easier when you work hard on one or the other aspect.

So if someone can raise his skill from 0 to 250 in 2 days, which by the way would be long for brewing..)...., just means he worked before very hard in other areas enabling him to do it quickly....)

My first tradeskill was tailoring. All lot of people ask me what I all do with my great richness and many dont believe me that I usually dont have more than 20kpp in my bank account. All what I earned with that skill I used to improve my others....like you did as well.

Well there are no bad tradeskillers besides those which charge for failed combines which I really think is a rip off ! No honest tradeskiller does that...... other than that its just different strategies to succeed...)

Lets hug us all...)

By the way I buy lots of swirling shadows and ready made humming orbs.../em giggles......)

Took me 153 combines to go from 204 to 205 smithing ..... liked that a lot...(

Well need to go back and be a war mongerer again....... I think the wolves shall be victorious..)

Baba all,

Perlchen