/con a recipe

[Iumarex]

While using the new UI I have noticed that Recipes are color coded Green, Light Blue, Blue, Yellow and Red.

The recepie's color seems to take into affect any skill adjusting items you have equipped, and I was getting skillups on greens this way.

So far, I have gotton skillups in all of the colors so far (woking on Baking and Smithing).

What I'm wondering is if there was if any of you thought that the chance for a skillup might be better in the blue area than the light blue or do you think this is just a graphic of your chance of failure.

Just wanted to see what you all thought.

[Sylphan]

As near as I can tell the con makes no difference whatsoever. Up until a month ago recipes didn't even have colors. When colors were added the old skillup equations were apparently not changed.

[Silverfish]

Considering Failures...

"A Hurricane Plate Breastplate glares at you threateningly...What would you like your tombstone to say when you kill yourself for failing a 10,000 plat combine...twice?"

Silverfish

[Burns]

Try the 8 Earthweave Pants/Robe of Ancient Earth I failed in a row two days ago. 24*4k = ouch

[ColdHeart]

The colour is your chance of success. Not sure what % chance each colour is but I think red is something like 50% (Kaladim's are red to a 252 Brewer and are meant to be a 52% chance of success).

You can still only skill up on items above your skill, but if you add a geerlok yout effective skill can surpass the triv, making the recipe green. No change from before.

As far as is believed, there is no real difference in skill ups making things high above you skill compared to closer. So DB recipes are as likely to give you a skill up as reds.

[Nihixul]

Originally posted by Burns
Try the 8 Earthweave Pants/Robe of Ancient Earth I failed in a row two days ago. 24*4k = ouch

I have failed my last 6 Robes as well.

[Tinile]

I failed 2 earth silk pants this week too

[Krrak]

Actually the colours are a measure of distance you are from the trivial point.

Red - you are 51+ points from Trivial
Yellow - you are 50 - 26 points away from trivial
Blue - you are 25 to 11 points away from trivial
Cyan - you are 10 to 1 point away from trivial
Green - you have achieved trivial

Hope this helps

[Xira]

Re: /con a recipe

Originally posted by Iumarex
So far, I have gotton skillups in all of the colors so far

*edit

ah yes, posted to fast ... see quote below

[KyrosKrane]

I believe you can get skillups on green-con recipes. The con color apparently looks at your modified skill. If your raw skill is one below the trivial of a combine you're making and you equip a geerlok, the combine will "con" green, even though it's not yet trivial to you.

I haven't tested this personally, though, so I could be off.

[Froni Thunderpaws]

Actually you can get green skillups if you are doing combines with a geerlok, trophy, or other skill modifying equipment. It is just that most people trying to skillup go for max learning stat instead. I think some folks use that to get through a few skill levels in brewing, smithing, and maybe tailoring with the level restricted combines.

[KyrosKrane]

It appears that great minds think alike, and simultaneously too.

[Iumarex]

Re: /con a recipe

Originally posted by Xira
somehow I doubt that u got a green skillup.

You most definitely can get skillups on green recepies, while using geerloks or other skill modifying equipment.
I have done this in both Baking and Smithing. I thought that my original post made it clear that I was using a skill mod item.

Originally posted by Iumarex
The recepie's color seems to take into affect any skill adjusting items you have equipped, and I was getting skillups on greens this way.

My intent in starting this thread was to discuss one of the oldest questions in tradeskilling. What the best way is to get skillups.

Many people have recommended using the easiest possible recepie. ie lt. Blue, or Green with a geerlok.

Some people have recommended aiming a little over the trivial, maybe in the blue area? If this is the case does using a geerlok while skilling up help or hurt?

To my knowledge the developers have never explained the mechanics of skilling up, and the "common knowledge" is the results of "gut feelings" and some tests.

Now we have a new "yardstick" on the recepies. As I see it there are a number possible best spots for skillups.

1) Green using a geerlok
2) Light blue
3) Light blue using a geeklok
4) Dark Blue
5) Dark Blue using a geerlok

Can anyone think of a good way to test this.

[Kakg]

Re: Re: /con a recipe

Originally posted by Iumarex
Can anyone think of a good way to test this.

Not without creating 5 new characters and counting the number of combines they require to get to a set level from 0. That is pretty much the only quantative test you could do. Any other way would just give you a qualitative answer but no hard facts.

Sounds like a really expensive and thankless exercise to me.

Any mega rich level 65's with plenty of time on their hands want to take this one on?

[crystilla]

I haven't tested it but would it be logical to say they tend to follow the same types of patterns that exp mobs with those colors follow?

I haven't tried making a solstice robe with the new tradeskill UI so not sure what the trivial is actually being listed as, but after 1000+ attempts with few increases comparatively (203-220 skill with about 17 increases), I've gotten 12 increases in under 250 attempts on Arctic Wyvern hides which are listed with a 320+ trivial.

(Side note - I had some holgresh fur on me at the time and used it and when I got a skillup, my fur went from dark blue to light blue with my skill, confirming the level thing.