Where is Nemren Stonecutter?

[splunge]

Removing the colddain temper from Nimrod is not an acceptable final solition in my opinion.

Not only does it make doing the velium bit smithing skillup route a lot more of a PITA, it also does the same to every other combine involving velium. All the tailoring combines, and other smithing combines now REQUIRE trips to the unpleasant Cobalt scar or relying on brewers who now have a stranglehold on sections of 2 other tradeskills. Since you cant buy it off a vendor, expect prices for CVT to skyrocket to unafforadable prices and, just like all the POP smithing/tailoring combines, no longer a viable skillup path. (tradeskill parts cost FAR FAR more then the completed armor could EVEr hope to sell for)

Put CVTs back on Nimrod, as well as a PoK vendor (cause youre requiring Coldain faction to even buy the stuff, kael faction people are outta luck), make the sell price the usual 26ish plat and sellback price 1 copper (or wont buy it at all). Thats the only reasonable fix for the situation i see.

[Ursawraith]

Originally posted by splunge
Removing the colddain temper from Nimrod is not an acceptable final solition in my opinion.

As stated elsewhere I really feel this isn't the Final solution to the free CVT. This is a temporary solution that should be fixed with the next patch (I hope, and if not I will be complaining right alone with ya )

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Originally posted by Lord Grimrose
As stated elsewhere I really feel this isn't the Final solution to the free CVT. This is a temporary solution that should be fixed with the next patch (I hope, and if not I will be complaining right alone with ya )

This definitely has the feel of a temporary solution, but SOE has a rather bad habit of never changing temporary solutions

I really hope CVTs become vendor sold again. I admit I mostly brew my own for the savings, but being able to buy them when you need one *now* for a decent price is quite handy (Bazaar is unreliable in stocking them, and prices often ungodly). At least they have the Enchant Velium scroll ingame again.

[Ndaara]

I do enough clicking without making coldain velium tempers too, so i really want them back on the vendor!

BUT i'm very happy they at least put him back so folks can finally buy their scrolls and hammers from him

Sure wish i hadn't missed out on every darned smithing alternative

[vovinit]

well if you want to I know that there are several people selling the tempers in the bazaar for like 5 pp each. (gee wonder how they could be so cheap ) so you can still get your tempers and at a discounted price at least for the time being anyway.

[Ndaara]

hm... nope... on The Nameless, 3 sellers in the bazaar today:

12 @ 50p
120 @ 35p
1591 @ 45p

Been much like that for the past week, when i've looked. Saw a few at 10p yesterday so i snagged enough to deal with the velium i have.

Guess I'll be finding noobs soon and trading them coldain heaters for CVTs

[andyhre]

For the record, I used the new recipe (1 CVT, 2 small pieces of velium, 1 spell) this morning when I found Nemren was back, and got skill ups through 195.

So the recipe's trivial may not be identical to its previous level, but it is at least 195.

And I suspect that if CVTs are permanently removed from the vendor, which does seem a bad solution, players will step up and fill the void. As the barrier to entry into that market is fairly low, and time is really the biggest expense, I cannot imagine the price going too far above the current level. For example, Celestial Essences sell on E`ci for 3pp per and are almost always available.

[vovinit]

I guess it depends on the server there is a guy constantly up on the cazic thule server selling them for like 5 plat each. He's got 100's of em. Nother fellow selling a couple 100 for 8 pp each. when the merchant first got permakilled there were like 5 people in the bazaar selling em for 2 pp each. I am guessing many of em sold out by now. I think they'll be in high demand now the merchant is back up and everyone can use them to skill up.

[Sanna]

Removing the colddain temper from Nimrod is not an acceptable final solition in my opinion.

Not only does it make doing the velium bit smithing skillup route a lot more of a PITA, it also does the same to every other combine involving velium. All the tailoring combines, and other smithing combines now REQUIRE trips to the unpleasant Cobalt scar or relying on brewers who now have a stranglehold on sections of 2 other tradeskills. Since you cant buy it off a vendor, expect prices for CVT to skyrocket to unafforadable prices and, just like all the POP smithing/tailoring combines, no longer a viable skillup path. (tradeskill parts cost FAR FAR more then the completed armor could EVEr hope to sell for)

Put CVTs back on Nimrod, as well as a PoK vendor (cause youre requiring Coldain faction to even buy the stuff, kael faction people are outta luck), make the sell price the usual 26ish plat and sellback price 1 copper (or wont buy it at all). Thats the only reasonable fix for the situation i see.

For once, I am actually impressed with the decision made by the People in Charge here, once I thought about it.


You (people in general) complain that you want to buy stuff from vendors. Then you complain that nobody buys yourstuff on your trader. Then you complain about strangleholds on markets. If there is ONE thing I have learned since May, it is that an EQ 'market' is not stable, nor is the current situation final. (The short version is: In late May, Halas 10 were 4.5p; ever since September they've been at least 10p apiece.) Markets fluxuate. And then they stabilize. And then they fluxuate again.




No CVTs on the vendorman means that the first thing that will happen is the people who binged on getting the free CVTs will be most likely selling their stock off to the public. Current price on Sullon: 4.5p. (Where have I seen that number before...) As was pointed out in channel last night, a single mule alt with 24 ten slot bags can hold 4800 CVTs.

A single skiller going from a modified 163 skill (which is 156 while holding a geerlok) and using this recipe to go to 220 has 64 points to cover. If I feel super-lucky with the RNG, I'll give a skiller 30 attempts per skillup. That's 1920 CVTs.


There are a finite number of Bingers. There are only so many people who filled so many slots with CVTs. For the purposes of this argument, there are an infinate number of Skillers, the people who want the CVTs. A portion of those will be Rich Skillers who will buy the CVTs, including the Binger's CVTs, for any price. The Stingy Skillers will only be buying the cheaper CVTs, and the Barebones Skillers will spend 30p and get their own brewing to 160 and make their own CVTs.

There will be a 'bump' while the Binger's CVTs enter and leave the market. There will be people making a pretty penny or two selling CVTs for a while (Bingers and Brewers alike). After a while, the Bingers will leave the market. And the ones left will be the legit Brewers.


This is the point where the market will first change heavily, then stabilize. It takes 9p to make a 'handmade-storebought' CVT -- that is, if you buy your Scent of Marr but make everything else yourself. (Using field drops for the CEs is only going to knock 1.575p off your CVT price.) To make a profit, a Brewer will, of course, be selling these for at least 10p apiece. If they try to sell too expensively, someone will undercut them until the market stabilizes for the moment (till someone decides to rock the boat).



Here is why I am so incredibly impressed with the decision to remove CVTs from Nimren, and why I don't think it's a temporary fix, and why I don't think they will/should put CVTs on a vendor either in Thurg or especially in POK.

The money is going to go straight into the player market, and moreso, it will eventually go to the players with skills. Tradeskills. Think: Brewing finally 'has a use'. It's the easiest skill to GM, even though the trophy is a PITA to fail, but now, it's no longer such a 'throw-away' skill. The people who have brewing skill now are happy; they can make money from their skill by making something other than Tea and KalaCons.

If you don't like the selling price of CVTs in the bazaar, spend the 30p to get your own brewing to the 160s (for non wis/int people, it might take 60p, but if you're doing smithing, get used to dropping the big bucks), then hire a druid to give you invis, soe, and a port to (and from if necessary) CS, and make it yourself. And if that's 'too much clicking', why are you doing smithing in the first place? ^_^



Tradeskills take patience. They take components. They take player interaction. They cause change. They make people happy, they make people angry. Who knows better than me that it's not worth it to be angered by this.

Yes, the market's gonna jump around, yes, gouging will attempt to occur, yes, people are greedy buttmunches, and yes, they will be averaged out. Yes, this will affect tailoring, yes, this will affect other skills, but frankly, I like this change. Kinda surprised myself by that, but I think it was a good decision.

-- Sanna
probably ought not be surprised, but oh well. ^_^

[Itzena]

...hire a druid to give you invis, soe, and a port to (and from if necessary) CS, and make it yourself

Or, if 46+, take the free shortcut.

[Eatbugs]

Or, if 46+, take the free shortcut.

Would you believe I've been in and out of PoM several times since the change and never thought of that?

[Sanna]

erm, pardon my noobness, but.... what?

[Lilosh]

Sanna:

Go to GD. Zone into PoM. Zone out, and you are in CS.


:-(


-Lilosh

[Itzena]

Originally posted by Eatbugs
Would you believe I've been in and out of PoM several times since the change and never thought of that?

Heh. I was the opposite - when I heard about PoM entrance being moved, my first thought was 'Excellent. I can get to Cobalt Scar easier now for tradeskill stuff'

Getting ported to CS twice (once to kill stuff, once to get corpse after getting ice cometted to death by quadding wizard) was getting a little expensive.

[vovinit]

You know been to POM about 20 times and I still don't know where the zone out is. Anyone gimme a hint? Not that it matters much really cause us druids never use the door.