Swatches: Spell Research and Tailoring related

[jawn]

I chose to put this in the general forum because it deals with both spell research and with tailoring.

The recent patch on Nov 5, 2003 changed the prices (both buy and sell) of many of the swatches researched for tailoring. So far, I have found only one swatch which sells to merchants at the same price as before the patch. It is no longer profitable to buy research components from merchants and to sell the swtches to merchants. Well, at least for the swatches I have experimented with listed below, but I suspect it is true for all swatches. In the chart below, most of the column headings should be self explanatory.

Cost is how much it cost to buy the research component from a merchant.
SwCost is how it cost for the component plus 0.208 for the cost of the quill and parchment.
SwSell is how much the swatch sells to merchants.
SwBuy is how much you have to pay to buy the swatch from a merchant.

Research Component       Cost   Trivial Swatch                          Race Ribbon     Dye,    Color           SwCost  SwSell  SwBuy
----------------------  ------  ------- ---------------------------     ---- ------     --------------------    ------  ------  ------
Breath of Ro             1.679  112     Breath Etched Swatch            GNM  Silver     Cauldron, Seagreen       1.887   1.800   9.922
Dew Clover               7.979  <=144   Dew Clover Etched Swatch        ERU  Gold       Bamboo, Beige            8.187
Essence of Rathe         1.889  112     Scent Etched Swatch             HUM  Silver     Jaggedpine, Teal         2.097   2.000  11.024
Flake of Lodestone       8.399  <=148   Lodestone Etched Swatch         HUM  Gold       Jaggedpine, Teal         8.607

Keris's pg. 5 right      6.299  <=150   Slant Scribed Swatch            HIE  Gold       Lichen, Forest Green     6.507
Nitlim's pg. 115         5.039  112     Color Skewn Scribed Swatch      HIE  Silver     Lichen, Forest Green     5.247   5.000  27.562
Rune of the Astral       5.669  132     Astral Runed Swatch             GNM  Gold       Steam, White             5.877
Rune of Concussion       2.729  132     Concussion Runed Swatch         HUM  Gold       Plains, Cyan             2.937   2.800  15.434

Rune of Cyclone          2.729  <=101   Cyclone Runed Swatch            DEF  Silver     Cursed, Grey             2.937   2.800  15.434
Rune of Ellipse          7.139  <=136   Ellipse Runed Swatch            DEF  Gold       Ashen, Black             7.347
Rune of Impulse          8.189  <=145   Impulse Runed Swatch            HIE  Platinum   Sylvan, Crimson          8.397
Rune of the Inverse      3.359  <=112   Inverse Runed Swatch            ERU  Silver     Bamboo, Beige            3.567   3.400  18.742

Rune of Sorcery          2.729  <=101   Sorcery Runed Swatch            HIE  Silver     Sylvan, Crimson          2.937   2.800  15.434
Rune of Tempest          7.769  151/163 Tempest Runed Swatch            ERU  Platinum   Bamboo, Beige            7.977
Salit's pg. 64 right     3.989  111     Radiant Scribed Swatch          ERU  Silver     Ocean, Blue              4.197   4.000  22.049
Salit's pg. 90 right     3.989  <=154   Mana Scribed Swatch             HUM  Silver     Plains, Cyan             4.197   4.000  22.049

Tears of Prexus          1.889  132     Tear Etched Swatch              HIE  Gold       Sylvan, Crimson          2.097   2.000  11.024
Toharon's pg. 15 right   7.559  <=160   Tashani Scribed Swatch          GNM  Gold       Cauldron, Seagreen       7.767
Wing of Xegony           1.679  132     Wing Etched Swatch              DEF  Gold       Cursed, Grey             1.887   1.800   9.922
Words of Abatement       0.629  <=102   Abatement Scried Swatch         IKS  Silver     Berry, Indigo            0.837   0.800   4.409

Words of Abrogation      6.299  <=166   Abrogation Scried Swatch        DEF  Platinum   Ashen, Black             6.507
Words of Asylum          7.349  <=137   Asylum Scribed Swatch           IKS  Gold       Maneater, Brown          7.557
Words of Burnishing      5.249  <=112   Burnish Scried Swatch           DEF  Silver     Ashen, Black             5.457   5.200  28.664
Words of Capacity        7.979  148/186 Capacity Etched Swatch          HUM  Platinum   Jaggedpine, Teal         8.187

Words of the Ethereal   10.499  131/132 Ethereal Scried Swatch          ERU  Gold       Ocean, Blue             10.707   9.524  52.499
Words of Expertise       8.399  164/190 Expertise Etched Swatch         GNM  Platinum   Steam, White             8.607
Words of Misery                 <=145   Misery Scribed Swatch           IKS  Platinum   Maneater, Brown          0.208
Words of Neglect         2.729  <=102   Neglect Scribed Swatch          GNM  Silver     Steam, White             2.937

Words of Obligation      5.249  <=112   Obligation Scried Swatch        IKS  Silver     Maneater, Brown          5.457   5.200  28.664
Words of Obliteration           <=148   Obliteration Scribed Swatch     HUM  Platinum   Plains, Cyan             0.208
Words of Requisition     5.249  131/132 Requisition Scried Swatch       IKS  Gold       Berry, Indigo            5.457
Words of Tenancy         6.509  <=158   Tenancy Scribed Swatch          IKS  Platinum   Berry, Indigo            6.717

Words of Virtue          6.719  101/180 Virtue Scribed Swatch           HIE  Platinum   Lichen, Forest Green     6.927
Yaeth's pg. 25 right            <=175   Intellect Scribed Swatch        GNM  Platinum   Cauldron, Seagreen       0.208
Yaeth's pg. 73 right            unk     Argli Scribed Swatch            DEF  Platinum   Cursed, Grey             0.208
Yaeth's pg. 78 right            <=161   Visage Scribed Swatch           ERU  Platinum   Ocean, Blue              0.208

[Maevenniia]

For al lthose that benefitted by making a profit from making swatches, tell yourselves it was good while it lasted. (But you had to know this was coming.)

If you use dropped research components instead of vendor mining them, you should still make a profit, since you've eliminated the cost of buying that component from the vendor.

[Lilosh]

Maev is right.


Please delete this post, or there will be another "fix" incoming.


-Lilosh

[Kronepsis]

Why Lilosh? As he said in the second paragraph, it's not profitable anymore. Why would that get fixed?

[Lilosh]

Bah, I read goodly.


And later on, please remind me to edit in the swear words I'm thinking towards whoever changed this.


-Lilosh

[Sylphan]

As tradeskills go, you're pretty lucky to be able to make skillups cheaply. Seems like these things now sell back for 95 percent of storebought cost. I wish darkwood bows and solstice robes did as well.

I find this just normal. It's rare to find anything anywhere in EQ where you can get more than 95% of the value back from a merchant.

[Itzena]

Wait, you mean people might actually sell swatches in the Bazaar now instead of just dumping them on a vendor?

This is a Good Thing.

[jawn]

Wait, you mean people might actually sell swatches in the Bazaar now...

See the list at the top. Every one of the lines which has a price to merchant was and for the most part still is on my bazaar mule. Some have sold. I started selling them in bazaar as soon as one of my INT casters got high enough in research to make them.

My first day selling them was Aug 7, 2003. At that time, the price for my swatches in bazaar was 10pp each. Since the patch adjust the prices, I have changed some of the prices of my swatches.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by Itzena
Wait, you mean people might actually sell swatches in the Bazaar now instead of just dumping them on a vendor?

This is a Good Thing.

Bah...

I promise you, people selling in the bazaar will ask 10 times what the Merchants were charging for those swatches.



-Lilosh

[Moraganth]

Hmm.. all the swatches i made, and i never checked to see what a npc would buy it for... oh well. I do know they used to sell them for like 50 plat. Personally, they don't seem to sell real well in bazaar, but they take up space so my mule has something.

[Sanna]

With low 80s CHA, I saw one merchant selling swatches for almost 80p apiece. Max CHA couldn't have helped the price beyond 65p I think.


-- Sanna

[Anaxo]

Before the 11/5 patch, all the research swatches had the vendor price of 52p and some odd change, if I remember correctly. Not sure if it's different now.