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  • DB Keepers: CE Questions, 3 Parts

    I put this in General because I was afraid that since it's not an actual Database Update, I couldn't put it in the DB Forum, and I didn't put this in Denmothersama's Corner because I really lothe the idea of bugging her needlessly...

    So this is aimed at some one more on the level of Krazick or other database workers.

    Either that or I'm waaaay off base in my reasoning...


    This starts by being a bit long winded, please bear with me.



    I printed off the 2 lists of Research Components and what they make (Recipes -- Spell Research -- the 2 Cross Reference pages). These are my new favorite things to look at: I can now look at drops I get to see what they are for, plus they have helped me VM more effectively to find things for Loy Swatches, etc.


    Today, I went to the page where it lists the components for the Celestial Essences, and marked on the research printouts which were listed as successful CE combines, then clicked on those parts and made note of which was more efficient to make into CEs, and which was more efficient to VM and get the plat and buy the cheaper Scent of Marr.


    The thought crossed my mind after I looked at my marked sheet... All the known CE combines come from what is listed as 'Old World' research drops. None of the 'LoY' drops are listed as making a CE.


    I looked at WHAT drops were on that LoY list... and became confused. These drops were introduced only with Loy? I was playing EQ for a few months before Loy came out, and I'm just about entirely positive that the spells these things are listed as making were in the game before LoY... plus, though I paid virtually NO attention to research stuff at the time, I have very vague recollections of seeing the names of some of these things in game (yaeth comes immediately to mind), tho that rememberance could very well be Way Off.

    Ugh, I'm afraid I'm about to stop making sense....


    So, the Questions.

    1. It is true that none of the 'LoY'-listed research drops make CEs? By virtue of being LoY drops, or just no one has reported these drops make CEs?


    2. Did anyone keep the list from the old static site of the research drops that did NOT make CEs? In other words, are there still possible holes of what does and does not make a CE?


    3. Does anyone care enough about this area of the game, that it's worth my time to slowly hunt down anything missing? And if the answer to this is yes, can I please perhaps have a copy of the old list of what is known to not work?

    3.b. If I start reporting pricing updates on some of these components, do I put them in DB forum or Pricing Forum? Because I put pricing updates on a couple runes in the Pricing Forum in early Sept, and no one has touched em....



    Ugh, midterm fried my brain, I sincerely hope that came out in something resembling a logical order.... This is only meant to help, if it's going to turn into more confusion than it's worth, please someone just say so and I'll move on. ^_^

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    Re: DB Keepers: CE Questions, 3 Parts

    Questions originally posted by Sanna

    1. It is true that none of the 'LoY'-listed research drops make CEs? By virtue of being LoY drops, or just no one has reported these drops make CEs?
    I personally don't know. I haven't bothered to try. Most LoY-era research drops were added to make available an alternate means to obtain level 50-60 spells which had previously only been available as drops. The spells and other things these make are too valuable for me to use them making CE.

    2. Did anyone keep the list from the old static site of the research drops that did NOT make CEs? In other words, are there still possible holes of what does and does not make a CE?
    I didn't keep a list. It might exist on a hard drive somewhere, or in an archived back up, but I don't think we're going to be digging around looking for it any time soon.

    3. Does anyone care enough about this area of the game, that it's worth my time to slowly hunt down anything missing? And if the answer to this is yes, can I please perhaps have a copy of the old list of what is known to not work?
    Any research you gather and report in this area will eventually make it to the site. If you want to collect the data, do so, but don't feel compelled.

    3.b. If I start reporting pricing updates on some of these components, do I put them in DB forum or Pricing Forum? Because I put pricing updates on a couple runes in the Pricing Forum in early Sept, and no one has touched em....
    Pricing Forum. We get to it as we can. It's a lot of work, and some of us want to actually PLAY EQ too...
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    • #3
      if it helps to reassure yourself of your mental status.. the "loy" research items did start dropping several weeks before LoY actually went live.... one of the downloads pushed them into the loot tables ahead of time.

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      • #4
        The other thing is you wouldn't want to use LoY research drops as CE combines anyhow. Basically most of the 44 and 49 spell research components start selling for more than the price of Scent of Marr (can't remember exact item) in PoK, so you can actually sell them buy a replacement and make a profit.

        I know all the 49 runes like astral, frost, impetus etc all sell for at least 2pp. All the LoY drops I have checked are at least 3pp.

        Shere Khaan

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        • #5
          Re: DB Keepers: CE Questions, 3 Parts

          Originally posted by Sanna
          The thought crossed my mind after I looked at my marked sheet... All the known CE combines come from what is listed as 'Old World' research drops. None of the 'LoY' drops are listed as making a CE.


          I looked at WHAT drops were on that LoY list... and became confused. These drops were introduced only with Loy? I was playing EQ for a few months before Loy came out, and I'm just about entirely positive that the spells these things are listed as making were in the game before LoY... plus, though I paid virtually NO attention to research stuff at the time, I have very vague recollections of seeing the names of some of these things in game (yaeth comes immediately to mind), tho that rememberance could very well be Way Off.
          These drops like previously said were introduced a couple of weeks before loy. The spells that these drops make are all Kunark/Velious/Luclin era spells. However, prior to loy the only way to get these spells was to hope that you'd be lucky enough to get them to drop or pay a high level guild lots of money for one of their extra copies. Yaeth, though I'm not really sure, probably is in game outside of the research pages. VI usually likes to take names that are already in game to give to those sorts of things, on a wild guess i'd have to say he's a guild leader somewhere.


          Originally posted by Sanna
          1. It is true that none of the 'LoY'-listed research drops make CEs? By virtue of being LoY drops, or just no one has reported these drops make CEs?
          I did ask this myself shortly after they started dropping. So I checked with 1 or two different kinds of loy research components that were more common/used to make very common spells etc and they were all DNC. By no means did I check every single loy research component to see if it would combine though.
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          • #6
            I attempted using one of the 50+ research items in CE once, long ago, and it was DNC.
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