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  • You want a BFT? Let me talk you into this fine Nightmare...

    At least I'm strongly thinking of telling that to any Tunare ranger who comes looking for the BFT. My skill is 234 in fletching and for time and effort vs chance of success the Nightmarewood Compound Bow is far superior. Superior as in I have a better chance to make it vs effort to create it and cost of the BFT (shopping in bazaar is how I get my Nightmare parts).

    From a Ranger's point of view how much better is the BFT then the Nightmare? After charging someone 10k for a BFT that I made for someone (he had brought me some parts in exchange for a lower price on one I had made) he told me he got it because of the higher hp then the Nightmare bow. I know range, resists and hp are higher then Nightmare, but how much does this matter to a ranger?
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  • #2
    For me personally, the BFT wins hands down, both for my high elf paladin and for my bf's half-elf ranger (tunare worshipper).

    Simply because it doesn't have a required level on it. (both characters are currently level 39)

    Also because I think having something that shows your devotion to your God(ess) is much more fun, especially for a pally!
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    • #3
      C&P from old discussion elsewhere:

      "Nightmare: Dmg 30, Dly 36. Range 190. +5 AC +8 Str +10 Dex +8 Int +15 vsMg +25 HP +50 Mana +4.00 Wt effect: shadow vortex

      BFT: Dmg 30, Dly 38. Range 250. +5 Str +5 Agi +5 Dex +5 Wis +10 vsMg +10 vsFire +10 vsCold +50 HP +50 Mana +3.00 Wt effect: none

      The delay/damage ratio is about the same. The Nightmare has ac and more dex and str, but doesn't include wisdom. It also has an effect, which the BFT doesn't have. The BFT has saves against fire and cold, which the Nightmare doesn't have. They both cost about the same (~12k). The Nightmare can be used by more people since it doesn't have the Tunare only."

      Since then I've realized the range on the BFT is a lot further, dunno how I missed that before. And the Nightmare is down to around 4k or so now on our server, the BFT hovering around 10k.
      Rangers have an innate increase in fire and cold resistance after lvl 51 (at least I do, anybody else?), but the 10 to vsmag is nice. Then again, the Nightmare has 15 vsmag.
      Range is always a plus, since total range is arrow range plus bow range. This means I can pull/shoot from further away, even with cheapy 8cp arrows.
      Hp is always a plus, especially since rangers take more damage per hit than the other melees (or at least it feels that way ). I've seen a lot of people go after hp though, not just rangers.

      But I think Ilona's point may top it all: no required level
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      • #4
        The Nightmare has a min level that's a tad higher than my ranger will ever get anytime soon.
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        • #5
          Yes, the nightmare bow has a minimum level...but my ranger will never be able to use a Tunare only bow; she worships Karana(I know, silly me...and she's human, too).

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          • #6
            I have both. The BFT is usually equipped, because it has more useful stats and is better for pulling. However if I am bow-kiting or otherwise trying to do a lot of damage with archery I will switch to the Nightmare.

            Bow prices have dropped greatly on EMarr. Nightmares appear not to be selling at 3.5k (which is close to what it costs for components - tinkerers don't seem to have caught up with the price drops) and BFTs are not selling at 8k

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            • #7
              Same as Aerinha, I'm a Karana Worshiper (Half-elf) so the BFT isn't even an option for me.

              From a cost perspective, I think the NMW is a better bow for your plat than the BFT. Especially if you can fletch it yourself. You can buy all the pieces and have the subcombines done for roughly 2k, and you have a little better than a 50/50 chance at success.

              For those who can use the BFT and Plat is not an issue, I see no reason why there isn't room for both of these bows in a Ranger's arsenal. The BFT is better for pulling and situations where you need that added range, or when you might want to bump your resists - say on a NToV or HoT raid. The NMW can be switched in when you want that little extra boost to your stats or just a hair faster delay and range is not an issue.

              I think we've all agreed in other posts around the board that few Rangers stick to a single bow, so why not have both and get the best of both worlds!
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              • #8
                I agree

                I am 237 skill plus geerlock and 1 for 4 on BFT's.
                I am 14 for 15 on Nightmares

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                • #9
                  The nightmarewood is a better *bow*.

                  The BFT is a better ranged slot item.

                  That's if you're high enough level to use the Nightmarewood.

                  As stated, for everyone under around lvl 55 or so, BFT is far superior simply because of the retarded Rec./Req levels they're putting on stuff nowadays.
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                  • #10
                    Unless you're bow kiting, the effect on the nightmare bow is a NEGATIVE for it for a ranger. The last thing a ranger needs is a proc that further increases his/her already ridiculously high aggro.

                    I've made over 50 nightmare bows and never even considered using one for myself because the BFT is far better for a Tunare ranger overall and I don't think the benefits for using the nightmare when soloing are worth having to carry around yet another piece of gear I use less than 30% of the time.

                    Range is also very important to me. I have CF3, AM3 and EQ, so I almost never melee in large fights. The longer your range, the better chance you have of 1) getting a clear line of sight because you have more options and 2) being out of range of AoEs.

                    For a Tunare ranger, the BFT is worth the additional cost... especially when you consider the fact that a ranger should be able to easily farm all of the dropped items to make it and thus be able to find someone to do the combine either for free or really inexpensively.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Justar
                      Unless you're bow kiting, the effect on the nightmare bow is a NEGATIVE for it for a ranger. The last thing a ranger needs is a proc that further increases his/her already ridiculously high aggro.
                      Jolt :P

                      What I don't understand about the Nightmare's proc is why would you use something that decreases your AC?! I always thought it was supposed to lower the mobs and "add" that to yours (hence the buff symbol) but when I borrowed one the other day (left my bow in the bank, oops) it proc'ed and actually lowered my AC. :?
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                      • #12
                        Yes, you can jolt.

                        And it can be resisted.

                        And even if it's not resisted, that's time you're spending casting instead of generating dps.

                        Additionally, if you're at archery range and get aggro, the mob has to run to you which means it runs away from all the other melee and the MT has to chase it down to regain aggro. All this time, dps is being wasted (especially rogue dps). Also, between when you jolt and when the MT regains aggro there's quite possibly a medding cleric or shaman right near the top of the hate list who will get beat to death on the mob's way back to the MT.

                        Why not just use a bow that has better stats and doesn't cause this problem?

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                        • #13
                          I am high enough level for the nightmare bow to proc; it procs for me rather often, and yet I have never had a mob leave a tank(or a tanking pet, I duo with a mage rather often) and run after me...have I just been lucky? or are you doing way more damage with your shot than I have managed so far?

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                          • #14
                            I had both for a while, replaced Nightmare with Bone Carved Shortbow, but keep BFT cause 250 range is great for pulling
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                            • #15
                              I've never seen a mob leave the tank and chase down anybody who was shooting it, proc or no. Is this really a common problem?

                              And yes I know jolt sucks and rarely works, I'll make sure to note my sarcastic suggestions/remarks more clearly from now on.
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