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    I have just started finding elemental bow components while merchant mining and was curious about the rarity of all the components. I have found several Obsidianwood staves and Molten ore on vendors and one fiend gut for sale in the bazaar from a PC trader.

    I am try to figure out which parts are the road block and what individual parts are worth.

    For reference I think the good 'ol Nightmare bow breaks down as follows:

    Nightmare Bow Staff = 1%
    Nightmare Silk String = 10%
    Inovative Cam = 40%
    Inovative Cam = 40%
    Combine Fee = 9%

    total = 100%

    I have a tinker and am also a decent tailor so I make all the parts of the bow myself. If somebody wants to by an individual piece from me or only wants combines I use the above chart and the current market value of the bow to figure out how much to charge them. So right now the going rate for the Nigtmare bow is 5000pp on my server(ugh, used to sell them for 20k).

    So the cost of the individual parts is:
    Staff - 50 pp of a vendor
    String - 500pp
    Cam 1 - 2000pp
    Cam 2 - 2000pp
    Combine fee - 450pp

    this equals the market value of 5000pp.


    Now the fire bow:

    For the fire bow taking into consideration I have found 3 staffs, ore for 4 cams, and and only one fiend gut I think the bow would breakdown as follows:

    Obsidianwood Bow Staff - 10%
    Molten Cam - 20%
    Molten Cam - 20%
    Fiend String - 40%
    Combine Fee- 10%

    Does that seem right or am I way off? Only a few guilds are in the plane of fire right now on my server so the rarity of the components may be skewed by my small sample.

    Basically I am trying to figure out which parts would be worth buying in the bazaar and how much is a reasonable price to pay for them considering the high failure rate of the elemental bows.

    Any other Fletchers have any input?
    Mridule
    Outrider
    $tormhammer

  • #2
    Not sure on the elemental stuff but i have been collecting nightmare componets. Ussually the staves can be purchased in the bazaar for less than 20p, also silks are normally less than half the cost for a string, and if you are paitent you can sometimes find a bargian. On the Rathe the going price is about 150p silk, 400p string, bolts and gears seem to be the stumbling blocks here. Prices all over the place from as low as 50p to 1k. Going price for the bow about 5k atm.
    Greym Greymantle, Windcaller of Tunare
    GM Fletcher + Smith The Rathe "Rangers don't get lost they explore"

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    • #3
      Cam combine price...

      So are you saying that you charge 2kpp for the combine of one cam for the Nightmarewood bow? That seems a bit steep to me. Especially considering that two are required, and the bow itself trivials over 250, so a person could pay you 4kpp for the cames then fail on the bow and not see any profit at all.

      Personally, I have a guildmate who tinkers the cams for me. We made a deal that he tinkers them for free if I'm making the bow for a guildmate or a friend. If I'm making the bow to sell for a profit, he charges 250pp for the combine. He makes 500pp, and if I fail on the bow I haven't lost a great deal.

      I think 250pp is a very fair price for a combine. On Vazaelle the cost of components for a Nightmarewood is roughly 2kpp. So at a sale price of 5kpp I'm making 3kpp. The Tinkerer gets 500pp, which is roughly 17% of my profit. Sounds like a fair deal to me.
      Buchalter Iceraven
      Ranger Extraodinaire
      Master Fletcher, Potter, Tracker, Forager and Fisherman
      Vazaelle Server

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      • #4
        Re: Cam combine price...

        Originally posted by Buchalter
        So are you saying that you charge 2kpp for the combine of one cam for the Nightmarewood bow?
        No, the 2k is the price for a completely finished cam not just the combine fee. For one cam I would break the price down to the following:

        500pp 1 Inovative Bolt
        500pp 1 Inovative Gear
        200pp 1 Clockwork Grease
        200pp 1 Clockwork Grease
        100pp Fee for making the Jar of Clockwork Grease
        500pp Cam Combine Fee

        total = 2000pp

        I wieght most of the cost of the Nightmarewood Bow to the cams since that seems to be the bottleneck in making them. These prices may seem high but that is due to the fact that I am the person who had to spend time finding the components or buying them in the bazaar, spend time foraging grease while avoiding trains at the PoI zone in, doing all the leg work to make the subcombines, and assuming the risk when the 5% fails happen on subcombines.

        My going rate for cam combines for people who bring me all the parts is 250 per success with a max of 2k (i.e any batch over 8 cams will still only cost you 2k). I also give credit for spare parts, I took 7 extra jars of grease once for payment of 15 combines.
        Mridule
        Outrider
        $tormhammer

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        • #5
          Nightmare bow

          Well I see a combine fee for the jar of clockwork grease as really negligible since it is so easy to make anyways. The cost for components is probably the highest part of the costs since cams and strings can be costly.

          As a tinkerer on Tunare I do not see charging much for doing the combines for the cams, as maybe 50pp for each combine is fine to me, so if you are on Tunare and want me to combine innovate gears and bolts together, I will do it for 50pp each max.

          Muana aka Feolina

          And yes if you bring me the grease I can make the jar of clockwork grease also for no extra fee just takes a bit more time, when I am not busy though only. If you bring me extra inn. bolts or gears it would be free combine, or bring me molten ore, fiend guts, obsidianwood bow staves.

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          • #6
            I personally find cam prices this high to be ridiculous. The bows are only selling for 4-6k now. If you charge 4k for the cams, and the success rate isn't basically 100 percent on the final combine, the person loses money.

            I hunt my own components or buy in the baz. On the average, I'm paying about 200 pp for bolts/gears and get my grease myself. I get friends to do the combine for me, and in exchange I save other tinkering parts for them (coiled springs, etc).

            Fair prices, in my opinion, are 500pp for complete cams when you provide the ingredients. Maybe your server prices are higher, but as I said, the bolts and gears can easily be found for 200pp each.

            The most I will pay for cams is 1k. This means I have 2k in cams, another 100pp for the string, and a 60 percent success rate or so, which means I can still make some money.

            The tinkering combine is a lower trivial than the bow by a ton. No way should the tinker make more money than the fletcher.

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            • #7
              I think the price break down on the cams is exagerated on all items. The biggest exageration is obviously the jar of grease.

              -the clock work grease is a very common forage and averages closer to 10 to 20pp in the bazaar. If you are paying 200 per I want you to move your tinker to MMArr I have a stack I will swap you for 2 completed cams.
              -the clay jar is trivial at tinkering 31
              -the grease combine is a no fail combine.

              Call it 25 pp ..50pp even 100pp. 500pp ? No offence but give me a break.

              having said that, while I have to agree that 2kpp per cam ( completed price )is not "justifiable" I also feel that a tradesmen should be welcome to set his own price. Whether he can get that price is the decision of his potential customers. We, as customers, have the ability to determine the price by dealing with fellow craftsmen who offer their wares at fair prices.

              If ya don't like what he's charging, don't buy from him, I wouldnt. -rw
              I wouldn't mind being remembered as the guy who always had a book in his hand. Much nicer than a gun, don't you think?

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              • #8
                Point taken...

                /shrug

                My prices are high, point taken. Maybe its my server but every cam I have put on the market gets sold overnight and nobody has every complained about the 250pp per success for the cam combines. Many people said they were just happy to find a high level tinker willing to do combines for them.

                Yes, the cams are 208 trivial and the bow is 250+ trivial but (on my server at least) there are 10 GM fletchers (of which I am one) for every 208+ Tinker.

                Also I would never buy a grease for 500pp in the bazaar but thats what they are worth to me when I sell them. It seems to take me about 3-4 hours to get a stack of grease in POI (200 skill with foraging machette). Half the time it is deserted so I can't group while I am there. A 58 ranger can not solo there so its boring and not fun. I play the game to have fun. It all comes down to time=money.

                Now back to the point of the original post.

                I didn't mean to start a debate about prices in the fletching forum, I know those are supposed to go to the marketplace boards. I was just trying to get a feel how other fletchers weight the components of all the new bows considering the component rarity.

                If you think my weighting is way off how would you wieght all the parts using percentages (not actual pp)?
                Mridule
                Outrider
                $tormhammer

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