Fletching Trophy - destory and re-request?

[filobeto]

A friend was sitting around 290 when she got her fletching trophy, this was prior to the pre-evolved change. I'm happy to report that she dinged 300 last night (and 2100) but her trophy is WAY behind.

Can she safely destroy the trophy, get a new task and receive the better version upon completion?

[Bolas]

I'm in the same boat. I'll be destroying my old trophy once I hit 300.

[Silvanoshi]

In the same boat here, well kinda, got trophy at 250 fletching. I'm now up to 276 fletching, and only 28% in with the trophy, and i've used the trophy with every combine i've done. Trophy seems to be lagging way behind. I'm definately looking towards destroying and redoing it myself.

[Bobaten]

28% is about right on track. Remember you have only done 1/3 of the combines neccessary to go from 250-300.

[Floosy]

Actually, you can go get another quest while still holding your current trophy, just to be safe. I have done this, but at lower skill levels. After you are SURE you have made all the items necessary for the new trophy, then you can destroy the old one. I would hesitate to do this at Expert or Master level however, since you will have to make another 'old school' GM trophy, which is pretty expensive.

Check out the recent thread about lagging trophy evolution under the Jewelcraft section. Trophy seems to run up at about 1% per successful combine once your skill reaches the next "name" level.

[filobeto]

Trophy seems to run up at about 1% per successful combine once your skill reaches the next "name" level.

There is the problem with this type of solution. You are gaining skill towards a trophy that is behind, where you should be gaining experience on the trophy that has already evolved to match your skill.

Yes, the increased rate helps the trophy catch up, BUT the trophy is falling further behind....these combines should count towards the evolution of the next stage, not the previous stage.

This problem was mostly fixed with the pre-evolved trophies, which is good.

[tomojo]

While doing Brewing, I found that the trophy lagged behind as I was skilling from 282 to 295 on a combine with a trivial of 295. When I hit 295, the trophy was at 72% evolved. I then shifted to a recipe that was 335 trivial. The trophy caught up and then evolved to the GM trophy 5 or 6 attempts after I hit skill 298.

It is the fact that when in a level, you see faster evolution of the trophy the greater the difference is between your skill and the trivial of what you are making.

So, don't trash your trophy too early. It may very well catch up or pass the appropriate level if the skill difference on you combines is great enough when you are in the last stages of skilling-up to 300

[Xodar]

If your friend is a Tunarean Woodelf or follower of Karana it will be *far* simpler and likely cheaper to just make 70 extra mithril arrow combines. Compared to the 1,000 she's about to crank out for level 7 it's a drop in the bucket.

edit: Got my trophy before the pre evolving at 271. I dinged 6 on the trophy around 298 iirc. It was on the same run I got 300 in 320 combine batches. I suspect that even if the trophy lags behind in levels you'll never have to do more then 30 or 40 combines to catch it up at 1% per combine. By the time you get above 250 the trophy will have caught up and passed you before you get 300. I know I was irked for the reverse reason, the couple hundred combines I did to reach 300 didn't count towards level 7 hehe.

[filobeto]

She is an Ogre. She had a skill in the 290 range when she got the trophy, prior to them being evolved. She is now 300 and the trophy is WAY behind, >50 points behind.

Future combines with a trivial greater than 300 (again, she is now 300, as mentioned in the original post) should count towards the 12% trophy evolving to the 15% one. NOT it catching up to the her current level.

We'll check to see if she can get the new task prior to destroying the current trophy.

[Gorse]

The thing to remember filo is that the trophies evolve at a much higher rate whenever your skill is at a tier higher than the trophy. When 1 tier behind (as you describe here) it advances at 11 times the rate. If you are doing 334 > combines for feltching it takes 500 successful combines to evolve the trophy. or 5 successful combines for 1%, but because your tropby is a lower tier than your skill, you will be getting 2% EVERY combine. 50 points is 25 combines or less.

So you have to evaluate if it is worth the trade off to you, 25 335+ non-trival combines, or sinking the time and plat into redoing the trophy. The choice is an easy one for me to make.



Gorse

[Bobaten]

The thing to remember filo is that the trophies evolve at a much higher rate whenever your skill is at a tier higher than the trophy. When 1 tier behind (as you describe here) it advances at 11 times the rate. If you are doing 334 > combines for feltching it takes 500 successful combines to evolve the trophy. or 5 successful combines for 1%, but because your tropby is a lower tier than your skill, you will be getting 2% EVERY combine. 50 points is 25 combines or less.

While it only takes 500 fletching combines to go from 6-7, it takes more than 1000 to go from 5-6.

[Baldary]

I got my trophy when I was skill level 282 before they came preevolved. Today I am sitting at 299 skill but my trophy is only 51% evolved from 5 to 6.

I will be doing a new trophy quest once I ding 300. For me it is much easier to spend a small bit of plat to do that, rather than using up farmed components to get the old trophy to a level that it should already be for my skill. As someone earlier said, I would much rather these combines be evolving my trophy from level 6 to level 7 rather than evolving a trophy from level 5 to 6.

Baldary

[Gorse]

While it only takes 500 fletching combines to go from 6-7, it takes more than 1000 to go from 5-6.

That also depends on the combines you are doing. 302 combines will take more than 335s. Even if it is 1000, at 11X it would take less than 100 combines to go from 0% to 100% and if it is at 50% already then only 50 combines (less if she does a higher level combine item).

There are lots of other issues to worry about than a trophy that is designed to catch up fast if you out skill it. It certainly helps a lot to know (and be able to watch) the trophy quickly catch up, vice playing the guessing game of when is that final point going to come.


Gorse

[Greymantle]

Odd am haveing near the reverse effect. Have been doing combines and trophy now +36% but not one skill up.

[Bolas]

Well it's decision time.

I have an expert fletching trophy at 35% evolved. I'm now skill 300 in fletching. I talked to the person in West Freeport and she won't give me the quest since she says I already have a trophy.

I made anther of the original GM fletching trophies figuring to re-do the quest. Bazaar is currently out of girplan feathers last I checked, but other than that everything should be easy for re-doing the trophy.

If it takes 65 non-trivial combines to take the current trophy from 35 to 100, that's more than I have on hand to make and the bazaar is short on stuff to level up the trophy.

If I destroy the current 35% evolved expert trophy (dang I wish I'd waited until the "pre-evolve" patch) then can I for sure get the quest again?

-Bolas