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  • How much does it cost to make Blessed Fishing Rods?

    I've been camping Bazaar for the past week, waiting for a good price on a Blessed Fishing Rod, but nobody has been selling for less than 1.9kpp.

    Now, I'm no expert, so I've come to consult with the experts. Does it really cost that much to make this Rod, or has my entire server gone totally nutso, in regards to it's price? From reviewing the recipe, I don't see the obvious reason for the expense.

    If anyone can clear this up for me (or offer me a good price on Bertoxxulous!) I'd really appreciate it.
    Epitome, Magician of the Spurned
    Korstul Gemchopper, Holy Warrior of Ak'Anon
    Trudgeon Tromp, Kaladim's Finest
    Gorrumk, Grobb's Redeemer

  • #2
    Well, Planar oak is a Pain in the whatever to forage.

    And 200 fishing either takes hours upon hours upon hours, or takes 200 unused training points and Buttloads of cash.

    Dragon Eggs make the treated threads.

    And thats probably forgetting a few things.


    -Lilosh
    Venerable Noishpa Taltos , Planar Druid, Educated Halfling, and GM Baker.
    President and Founder of the Loudmouthed Sarcastic Halflings Society
    Also, Smalltim

    So take the fact of having a dirty mind as proof that you are world-savvy; it's not a flaw, it's an asset, if nothing else, it's a defense - Sanna

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    • #3
      Well, it's just owie.

      The reason for the high cost of BFR's is due largely to the fact that it requires two fairly rare forages per attempt: a branch of planar oak (foraged only in PoG), and a dragon egg (foraged only in Western Wastes and ToV). Both require literally hours of standing around doing nothing except foraging or practicing casting skills if you you're young (less than 50). If you're a non-forager, that means you have to buy them, and the foragers know what a PitA these are to get, so you pay dearly for them. On FV (and I know we're not properly indicative of what you'd pay on other servers), you'll drop at least 100PP for a dragon egg, then another 450 or so on the planar oak.

      Now you have the sub-combines to deal with - dragon egg oil, brewed - chance to lose your 100PP. Add in a silk cord, then try to craft treated silk - yet another chance to lose your 100PP. Now make your spool, which requires 2 velium bits (and the crafting of those takes 2 tempers at around 27PP each), and a sandalwood, which will run you around 84PP at max CHA/faction. And even when trivial this fails often, so if you blow one, kiss another 125PP goodbye. Then you get to try to round up a druid or cleric of Karana to imbue a plains pebble for you (which you will have to go back to your friendly neighborhood forager for), and while this isn't expensive, it's more time taken from the craftsman.

      Once you have all of your ingredients together it'll look roughly like this:
      Treated Silk Fibre - (100PP for the egg, 6PP for the silk, and at least 2 chances to lose your egg) 106PP best case
      Spool (4 small pieces of velium - 60PP, 2 velium tempers - 54PP, 1 sandalwood - 84PP) 198PP
      Blessed Dust of Karana (1 imbued Plains Pebble - 10PP, 1 jar of acid - .5pp?, celestial essence - 1.5PP + time and/or service charges) - 12PP
      Celestial Essence - 1.5PP
      Branch of Planar Oak - 450PP


      So, assuming that you were unlucky and had to purchase most of your goods rather than forage them yourself, you're looking at a rough cost of 767PP per attempt, assuming no failures on the subcombines. Throw in some padding for the inevitable failures, the cost of your time to skill up your fishing to 200 ish, the cost of skilling up any of your other tradeskills to the point where you can do most of the subcombines yourself, and for the time you had to spend running all over creation to get this stuff, and 1.9KPP isn't so unreasonable, IMHO. Despite that, I usually sell for a little less, and I have seen them on FV for as little as 1200PP.

      Chase
      Half-Elven Ranger of Tunare
      66 seasons wandering the wood in defense of Her creatures
      Chivalrous Valor
      Firiona Vie

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      • #4
        Thank you for the cost break-down!

        I can see now where the cost comes from, and won't hesitate so heavily at throwing down the cash for his pole. Although, I think I'll still hold out for someone asking 1.5k or less.
        Epitome, Magician of the Spurned
        Korstul Gemchopper, Holy Warrior of Ak'Anon
        Trudgeon Tromp, Kaladim's Finest
        Gorrumk, Grobb's Redeemer

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        • #5
          Cost

          Eh ...I'm on the nameless and use my forage time to bring up other skills ...

          only item's that I end up buying are the sandalwood and coldain temper ... costs me roughly 200pp at most (if I forget to put on my cha gear)

          I sell em for 1k pp ... but then again that's my server , where max price seems to float around the 1500pp mark

          but of course it's the spool that seems to fail the most
          Graiilon - 53 Druid - Nameless ... 200 Fishing, 169 Pottery, 151 Brewing, 135 Baking, 204 Fletching, 128 Tailoring, 149 Smithing.
          "Be happy with what you have or I'll take it , then you'll have to be happy with what I have"

          "When did I know I was god? When I was praying and realized I was talking to myself"

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          • #6
            I have to say that it's nice to see a question like that. Too many people just assume that the crafter is trying to shaft them (regardless of whether they are a fletcher or not...) It also helps other crafter's get an idea of who expensive it is to make there own when someone answers like this. Thanks all.
            Morani
            Wanderer of Tunare,
            Protector of The Mother's children.

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            • #7
              It will vary a bit, server to server.

              I make and sell them on Tarew Marr. The cost to purchase the components in the Bazaar, if you shop well, is about 400plat. Oak 100p, dragon egg 100p, sandalwood 84p, and all other items another 100 to 150 plat. As a result, the average bazaar price seems to be around 1k for the pole (2.5 x Cost of Materials), which I've always felt was a fair profit margin for my skill, and the time that I tie up my money between making them and selling them.

              Sometimes you can get lucky and get in on a price war. Recently a pair went down as low as 650, but at that price, the rest of the Bazaar vendors simply purchased them and put them back up for resale.
              Celdil Evershield - High Priest of Mithaniel Marr
              Tarew Marr Server
              Human GrandMaster Blacksmith + Trophy

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              • #8
                I hate these **** things.

                Well, you have to inclde the cost of time to collect and farm some of the items, plus the time and effort to gain the skill to even make these items.

                You need 200 in fishing, which as you all know isn't a fast track tradeskill you can buy from a vendor. I took me 8 months to get to 200 phew.

                You need a high brewing skill of 150 to make the dragon egg oil and a little more to make the coldain heaters, unless you cheat and buy them .

                You need a high pottery skill of a 100ish to make the blessed dust of karana.

                Tailoring at a level of 150 to make the treated fibres.

                After that, there is the boring farming of velium to find the small peices, then the even more boring foraging in the PoG to get the rare forage of a planar oak branch, then the dangerous trek to the Western Wastes to forage yet again for dragon eggs. Then kill several spiderlings at the disgust of the local newbies. Plus I nearly forgot, foraging again for plains pebbles in the Karanas.

                Then after all that you start to make the **** things.

                50 pp worth of heaters and a 86pp sandelwood to make the spool (if it doesn't fail)

                and 2pp for the components for making the Celestial Solvents.

                So the actual cost to me was probably less than 200pp.

                But the prices they charge reflects the fact that it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort and pulling your hair out on the forages.

                So I expect at least 1k profit from each.

                My Magelo
                Grandmistress Baker of Antonius Bayle, And owner of the Grandmasters Spoon

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                • #9
                  Specific numbers for Cost

                  In reworking the Cost (formerly Pricing) section of the website, i have two distinctions in cost, farmed (min cost) and bought (max cost). Basically, farmed is cost of anything available at store in recipe only, assuming that you will farm the other items. Bought cost is not truly the maximum you pay for it, as players will assign value to items in their own way, but it is rather the cost of if you had to buy every little thing in the recipe from a vendor. Of course, buying from a player is invariably more expensive than a vendor. It may be highly improbable to find a dragon egg or branch of planar oak on a vendor, but I've set forth a system and I'll stick with it.

                  Anyway, I'm preparing the update for fishing in Costs and I happen to have that exact answer.

                  The minimum cost of a Blessed Fishing Rod is 89.785 pp.
                  The "vendor-bought" cost is 142.278 pp.
                  The discrepancy between these is: velium bits, brewed Coldain Velium Tempers, dragon egg, 6 spiderling silks, celestial essences, branch of planar oak.

                  If you add in player factors, the esimates above will suit you nicely as well. But minimum is minimum, and if someone's willing to skill up to 200, they have some time to go foraging too. On my server (brell) they sell for 900 to 1000, and when I price at 850 they always sell. At nearly 10 times the profit, I can accept to undercut others' prices a little without worrying. People will still pay it.

                  Dont know exactly when update will be finished and up. I have classes wrapping up with projects due. This is my distraction.
                  -=\=- Solecism Nolastname -=\=-
                  -=\=- Ureshii Yoshii -=\=-
                  Happiness Dragon of <Watchers> on Cazic Tool

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                  • #10
                    Re: Specific numbers for Cost

                    Originally posted by solecism

                    If you add in player factors, the esimates above will suit you nicely as well. But minimum is minimum, and if someone's willing to skill up to 200, they have some time to go foraging too.
                    -=\=- Solecism Nolastname -=\=-
                    I just want to point out that the above assumes that the angler has a high skill, high level forager. In the case of PoG and ToV, at least 47, and preferably a porting class. That's far from a given with your anglers. After all, when Serenya hit 200 fishing she was 45, and is a dwarven cleric. My highest avatar at that time was a 48 Barbarian Warrior. My only forager, a ranger was, hmm 35ish at the time I think. And even now that she is 51, I buy planar oak or trade for it, as it's not that safe or easy to get a ranger in and out of PoG......
                    Serenya Soulhealer
                    Guild Leader of The Revellers, Tribunal



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                    • #11
                      Re: Specific numbers for Cost

                      Originally posted by solecism
                      . At nearly 10 times the profit, I can accept to undercut others' prices a little without worrying. -=\=- Solecism Nolastname -=\=-
                      Hmm, 10 times the profit with a half day foraging (egg and oak) and at least an hour farming velium?

                      I understand that the cost is "bare minimum" and it is certainly useful for someone who is trying to get the earring for themselves, on their own. But I can't see someone selling these seeing that as "10 times the profit" having during that time not gotten exp (if you get exp farming velium, you can't get into PoG?)...

                      -Fay
                      (sells at 1000 and it's "only just" worth the time cost for me at that price)

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                      • #12
                        Blessed fishing rods actually only cost a couple hundred plat to make. But they're a big hassle. I used to sell them for between 1700 and 1900 each. When there were enough for sale at 1300 or less that nobody wanted mine I just stopped making them. Just not worth the hassle to sell rods for 1200, it's not like they're the only way to skill up fishing.

                        You'll undoubtedly find them for less if you keep shopping... or you could make your own. The total cost to skill your fishing up to 170 or higher, gather the ingredients, and make your own, will be less than buying one. That's quite unlike the robe or mug or sickle or picnic -- raising those skills just to make one item (or making the item with 20 tries at zero skill) is not cost effective.
                        83/1000 High Elven Enchanter on cazic (8x300 tradeskills)

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                        • #13
                          Well I set out to make this, as I was spending hours in the Plane of Nightmares getting crawdads to bake with. So set out to make this thing.

                          Celestial essense, piece of cake. Especially since merchants for the Scent of Marr and celestial solvent are right nect to each other, hehe. Figure that's like 2pp there (Well, total of 6pp, allowing that I'll need 3 of these).

                          Branch of Planar Oak. Someone in the guild was kind enough to give me a spare branch, hehe. Glad of that, I've heard horror stories of the difficulty of foraging such a think with 200 foraging, much less the 50 foraging I have.

                          Went to the Bazaar, decided 25pp not too bad a price for an imbued plains pebble (well actually I thought it was too much, but willing to pay to avoid the hassle of getting a plains pebble and having it imbued). But to make up for paying too much on an imbued plains pebble, found somebody selling a dragon egg for 50pp. Don't know if he didn'
                          t realizr the value or didn't care, but not going to complain here.

                          Negligible cost for a flask of water, and as a GM brewer had no problem brewing the oil. Also had no difficulty making the blessed dust of Karana (really easy and cheap to get pottery skill high enough to do this).

                          Beat up my own spiderlings to make the silk cord, and had a skilled tailor in my guild make the fibres.

                          Paid like 50pp for the velium and another 74 pp for the tempers, and had a GM smith in my guild combine them, but had the dreaded TRIVIAL FAILURE on velium bits! Well I bought another temper, and we went into Crystal Caverns to go pick up some more velium for this. SUcceded second time, and combined it easily with my saandalwood, about 100pp, to make the spool.

                          By doing this mostly myself with a little help from my guild, spent a total of 342 pp on the pieces. Put a hermit crab in my ammo slot for good luck, hit combine, and luckily succeded on first try. Woot!

                          Sadly melted it down for my earring.

                          This has become the most expensice gift on my server, and seeing the hassle behind making it, I see why, hehe. Typically goes for 1500pp on the average on Sol Ro right now. Mistletoe cutting sickles hace dropped below this, I remember when they went for 3k, now not too hard to find them for 750pp-1k. But fishing rods still holding strong at 1500 or so.
                          Zararazu Twoflower, 66 iksar monk, Solusek Ro

                          Grandmaster Linguist (100 in all 25 languages), Grandmaster Brewer (250+trophy), Grandmaster Fisherman (200), Master Baker (200), Master Fletcher (200), Master Potter (200), Master Jeweller (200), Master Smith (200), Master Tailor (187).

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                          • #14
                            The reason they cost so much is because very few people bother to raise fishing to 200. When you have a large demand for the ear ring quest, and a small supply, you end up with the people making these able to gouge you for whatever you want. Difficulty aside, let be real here. The ONLY reason people can charge as much for these is the rarity of 200 fishers, and the fact that these aren't used to skill up on.

                            I'll point to acrylia masks as an example of what NOT to make for profit. It's pretty much the same thing for tinkered items. Most players don't bother with tradeskills, the few that do have to be gnomes in order to tinker. Therefor tinkers can charge pretty much whatever they want for certain items. Is it gouging, I think so, but the market does bear it, so you really can't complain too much.

                            The other thing about fishing poles is that the ONLY reason you would need one is for the ear ring. you can buy an ear ring kit on most servers for about 7k, including the pole. Is the ear ring worth 7k or more. You better believe it is. So even factoring in the cost of the pole you come out ahead. When you can get a better ear ring for under 7k, then the demand will dry up, and costs will decrease.
                            239 Baking
                            200 Fletching
                            200 Jewelry
                            195 Brewing
                            122 Pottery
                            115 Tailoring
                            115 Smithing

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                            • #15
                              On the Saryrn server this is the most common solstice item *not found*...by that I mean no one is selling one. And when they are for sale, the prices are 1900pp +. As I have a great supply of dragon eggs (GF is a WE Ranger, our guild goes to HoT in Tov two nights a week), and planes pebbles, I need only convince said GF to go to PoG and forage a bit to get me some oak. Oh, then I have to get a few skills up over 100, and fishing from 104 to 200...

                              Time to keep checking in the bazaar, and as soon as I see one and it is close to my recorded low price, buy it.
                              Fishing 200
                              Baking 194
                              Tailoring 166
                              Blacksmithing 179
                              Fletching 174
                              Brewing 201
                              Alcohol Tolerance 200
                              Jewellery 186
                              Pottery 167

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